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This is disappointing. I'd previously been a big fan of the sourcehut model. I can understand not wanting to be associated with the billions of tinycoin ICO sc

by throwaway22032 4y ago

This is disappointing. I'd previously been a big fan of the sourcehut model. I can understand not wanting to be associated with the billions of tinycoin ICO scams or NFTs that are just URL links or whatever else. But to reject things like Bitcoin or Ethereum seems to me to be a denial of reality. Just because it's not useful for you, doesn't make it not useful. For clarity, I will be affected by this change and I don't at all believe my code is socially negative, but I'm not interested in justifying myself. My favourite ice cream flavour is not yours. In the end, Git is decentralized and running cgit or whatever is pretty simple stuff. I just had high hopes for sourcehut. On a long enough timescale I suppose anyone lets you down.

timeon 4y ago
Bitcoin with proof of waste is not just about flavour.
- exo762 4y ago
  And yet Drew hasn't made an exemption for Ethereum, which does not do proof of work.
  - arghwhat 4y ago
    That a project using proof of work is bad does not meant that a project using proof of stake is good. The ban is cryptocurrencies, and that PoW cooks the planet for no benefit is only one of the listed reasons behind it.
    - tossl568 4y ago
      Proof of work isn't "cooking the planet". Get a grip. And Bitcoin is a fantastic benefit for humanity resulting from proof of work.
      - woodruffw 4y ago
        Turning on shuttered gas and coal plants solely to mine cryptocurrencies is about as close as you can get to pointlessly cooking the planet. The benefits have been relatively modest so far.
        tossl568 4y ago
        Sounds like you have a problem with fossil fuels.
        woodruffw 4y ago
        Indeed I do. I have problems with lots of things, as most people do.
        tossl568 4y ago
        What makes securing hundreds of billions of people's money a less valid use of fossil fuels than playing Call of Duty?
        woodruffw 4y ago
        For one, quantity: video games don’t use as much electricity, and those that do aren’t incentivizing reactivation of old fossil fuel plants. For another, necessity: we have a preexisting financial system that secures orders of magnitude more value than cryptocurrencies do, with actual legal guarantees and recourses. For a final, civic harm: whatever limited negative social ills can be explained by video games are dwarfed by the civic poison of fraud and “easy” money.
        tossl568 4y ago
        Energy isn't fungible. That financial system uses many more magnitudes of energy. This is like blaming dollars for the existence of bank robbers.
- haarts 4y ago
  But it is. Your negatively charged comment just proved that.
encryptluks2 4y ago
It says they are willing to make exceptions if you contact them with compelling reason.
- Hendrikto 4y ago
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    They aren't censoring anyone. People can pay to host their own infrastructure. Crypto projects are a legal liability for service providers and frequent abusers of service offerings. I honestly wish they would have been less specific in there reasons to not make it seem like some ethical dilemma but point is there are good reasons to not allow these types of projects. I don't trust them less I just know not to host certain projects there and follow a general etiquette. If I wanted to use them to host something more controversial then I'd reach out first to see if they'd allow it and build that relationship. This is no different than wanting to display a controversial banner in a private establishment. They end up taking on some liabilities which I'm sure they would like to be informed before doing so in order to make sure they will help provide some support if it becomes a challenge.
arghwhat 4y ago
There is nothing wrong with you being disappointed, but it is important to clarify that disappointing you does not mean that the service disappoints others. After all, there is nothing inherently wrong with people having different ideologies, and that must apply to companies too - either the ideology of the owners/operators, or the jurisdiction they reside in. And considering how the vast majority of cryptocurrencies are indeed just vehicles of scam and speculation, I find it perfectly reasonable to just have to send a short message to give a heads up that you are indeed the 1 in a million case worthy of exclusion. Talking to people is not the end of the world, and I doubt it would take more than a short message.

timeon 4y ago

Bitcoin with proof of waste is not just about flavour.

exo762 4y ago
And yet Drew hasn't made an exemption for Ethereum, which does not do proof of work.
- arghwhat 4y ago
  That a project using proof of work is bad does not meant that a project using proof of stake is good. The ban is cryptocurrencies, and that PoW cooks the planet for no benefit is only one of the listed reasons behind it.
  - tossl568 4y ago
    Proof of work isn't "cooking the planet". Get a grip. And Bitcoin is a fantastic benefit for humanity resulting from proof of work.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      Turning on shuttered gas and coal plants solely to mine cryptocurrencies is about as close as you can get to pointlessly cooking the planet. The benefits have been relatively modest so far.
      - tossl568 4y ago
        Sounds like you have a problem with fossil fuels.
        woodruffw 4y ago
        Indeed I do. I have problems with lots of things, as most people do.
        tossl568 4y ago
        What makes securing hundreds of billions of people's money a less valid use of fossil fuels than playing Call of Duty?
        woodruffw 4y ago
        For one, quantity: video games don’t use as much electricity, and those that do aren’t incentivizing reactivation of old fossil fuel plants. For another, necessity: we have a preexisting financial system that secures orders of magnitude more value than cryptocurrencies do, with actual legal guarantees and recourses. For a final, civic harm: whatever limited negative social ills can be explained by video games are dwarfed by the civic poison of fraud and “easy” money.
        tossl568 4y ago
        Energy isn't fungible. That financial system uses many more magnitudes of energy. This is like blaming dollars for the existence of bank robbers.
haarts 4y ago
But it is. Your negatively charged comment just proved that.

encryptluks2 4y ago

It says they are willing to make exceptions if you contact them with compelling reason.

Hendrikto 4y ago
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  They aren't censoring anyone. People can pay to host their own infrastructure. Crypto projects are a legal liability for service providers and frequent abusers of service offerings. I honestly wish they would have been less specific in there reasons to not make it seem like some ethical dilemma but point is there are good reasons to not allow these types of projects. I don't trust them less I just know not to host certain projects there and follow a general etiquette. If I wanted to use them to host something more controversial then I'd reach out first to see if they'd allow it and build that relationship. This is no different than wanting to display a controversial banner in a private establishment. They end up taking on some liabilities which I'm sure they would like to be informed before doing so in order to make sure they will help provide some support if it becomes a challenge.

arghwhat 4y ago

There is nothing wrong with you being disappointed, but it is important to clarify that disappointing you does not mean that the service disappoints others. After all, there is nothing inherently wrong with people having different ideologies, and that must apply to companies too - either the ideology of the owners/operators, or the jurisdiction they reside in. And considering how the vast majority of cryptocurrencies are indeed just vehicles of scam and speculation, I find it perfectly reasonable to just have to send a short message to give a heads up that you are indeed the 1 in a million case worthy of exclusion. Talking to people is not the end of the world, and I doubt it would take more than a short message.