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Can you elaborate on what woke politics they have?

mellosouls 4y ago
The advocacy fund is linked in the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides_Foundation#Advocacy_Fund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides_Foundation#Advocacy_Fund Tides Foundation is an American public charity and fiscal sponsor working to advance progressive causes and policy initiatives in areas such as the environment, health care, labor issues, immigrant rights, LGBTQ+ rights, women's rights and human rights. While those policy areas are not in themselves necessarily negative, they have a clear political slant which is the ground associated with woke activism. It's not obvious what it has to do with Wikimedia.
- happymellon 4y ago
  None of those sound bad, but one organisation that tries to focus on all of them? You'll end up trying lots of things but poorly, or find that they cross influence to make things efficient. Why work on labour issues when you can deal with women's labour issues? And especially if they are being funded via manipulation, such as paying for Wikipedia's servers, means they would lack the oversight from donors which is not an effective way.
  - chris_wot 4y ago
    It’s also an American organisation, and yet the WMF has a global remit.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Also they sound extremely localised. As someone outside extremely wealthy and rich USA why should my money go to that sort of political organizations there. Why don't they use their own money for it?
concordDance 4y ago
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- denton-scratch 4y ago
  This isn't true. I edit Wikipedia regularly, and have done for 20 years. I don't believe transwomen are women. I am not banned.
  - boppo1 4y ago
    Do they know that is your stance, and have you edited articles to reflect it?
    - denton-scratch 4y ago
      I haven't filled-in a profile page, and I haven't had occasion to make any edit concerning transness, sex and gender. My Wikipedia handle is a name I've used in other places, so a determined stalker could draw inferences about my views; but I haven't used the handle outside of Wikipedia for a decade. I have opinions about the Middle East that, if expressed in my editing, would get me into trouble - but probably not banned; my edits would simply be reverted in a microsecond. Editing with an opinion is fine; you just get reverted. Nobody bans you. You get into trouble if you try to take a stand: e.g. revert the revert, or if you take it to the talk page, or ask for admin review.
      - throwawayacc2 4y ago
        denton-scratch 4y ago
        Neoliberalism is an economic viewpoint, not a sociological one. I don't know a good word for the "safe", modern, liberal point-of-view. Perhaps that's why everyone calls it "woke", a word that I don't use, because it's usually meant as an insult. In the USA, "liberal" seems to be an insult too. The viewpoint I'm referring to is that of educated, urban, mainly white people, who sympathize with oppressed minorities, but are scared of any kind of revolution, because they depend on capitalism.
throwawayacc2 4y ago
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- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  - drc500free 4y ago
- Philorandroid 4y ago
- drc500free 4y ago
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The advocacy fund is linked in the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides_Foundation#Advocacy_Fund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides_Foundation#Advocacy_Fund Tides Foundation is an American public charity and fiscal sponsor working to advance progressive causes and policy initiatives in areas such as the environment, health care, labor issues, immigrant rights, LGBTQ+ rights, women's rights and human rights. While those policy areas are not in themselves necessarily negative, they have a clear political slant which is the ground associated with woke activism. It's not obvious what it has to do with Wikimedia.

happymellon 4y ago
None of those sound bad, but one organisation that tries to focus on all of them? You'll end up trying lots of things but poorly, or find that they cross influence to make things efficient. Why work on labour issues when you can deal with women's labour issues? And especially if they are being funded via manipulation, such as paying for Wikipedia's servers, means they would lack the oversight from donors which is not an effective way.
- chris_wot 4y ago
  It’s also an American organisation, and yet the WMF has a global remit.
Ekaros 4y ago
Also they sound extremely localised. As someone outside extremely wealthy and rich USA why should my money go to that sort of political organizations there. Why don't they use their own money for it?

concordDance 4y ago

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denton-scratch 4y ago
This isn't true. I edit Wikipedia regularly, and have done for 20 years. I don't believe transwomen are women. I am not banned.
- boppo1 4y ago
  Do they know that is your stance, and have you edited articles to reflect it?
  - denton-scratch 4y ago
    I haven't filled-in a profile page, and I haven't had occasion to make any edit concerning transness, sex and gender. My Wikipedia handle is a name I've used in other places, so a determined stalker could draw inferences about my views; but I haven't used the handle outside of Wikipedia for a decade. I have opinions about the Middle East that, if expressed in my editing, would get me into trouble - but probably not banned; my edits would simply be reverted in a microsecond. Editing with an opinion is fine; you just get reverted. Nobody bans you. You get into trouble if you try to take a stand: e.g. revert the revert, or if you take it to the talk page, or ask for admin review.
    - throwawayacc2 4y ago
      - denton-scratch 4y ago
        Neoliberalism is an economic viewpoint, not a sociological one. I don't know a good word for the "safe", modern, liberal point-of-view. Perhaps that's why everyone calls it "woke", a word that I don't use, because it's usually meant as an insult. In the USA, "liberal" seems to be an insult too. The viewpoint I'm referring to is that of educated, urban, mainly white people, who sympathize with oppressed minorities, but are scared of any kind of revolution, because they depend on capitalism.

throwawayacc2 4y ago

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MichaelCollins 4y ago
- drc500free 4y ago
Philorandroid 4y ago
drc500free 4y ago
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