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> that is currently engaged in one of the most deadly wars in history ? you dont have to use hyperbole to make a point.

pron 4y ago
I wasn't (although I'll qualify with "modern history"): https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/06/23/ukraine-war-deaths-soldiers-history/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/06/23/ukraine-wa...
- ekianjo 4y ago
  If? Since when do we qualify a war as deadly based on linear projections in the future?
  - pron 4y ago
    No projections needed. By intensity it's in the top 25% deadliest already.
    - ekianjo 4y ago
      This statistic is completely irrelevant because we have massive outliers like WW1 and WW2 and then a host of small, proxy conflicts afterwards. You don't make statistics based on mixing apples and oranges together and then making classifications out of it. Plus, that Post article is ridiculous, you would obviously not put conflicts 200 years old like the US-Mexican war next to a conflict with modern weapons which are by nature much more deadly. If we go by this definition then most conflicts these days are in the upper 1% of fatalities compared to the whole of Human history, and that virtually says nothing interesting.
      - pron 4y ago
        First the problem was that it's hyperbole and now that it's too obvious to be interesting? In any event, that statement was true and the fact remains that it is not only probably the most intense of the ongoing fifty or so armed conflicts -- which very much makes it stand out -- it is also among the most deadly in a long time, so I think pointing that out is pertinent, despite your stylistic reservations. Also, you can reach out to Paul Poast if you want further explanation about the conflict: https://www.paulpoast.com/bio-cv https://www.paulpoast.com/bio-cv
rat87 4y ago
It's very hard to estimate casulties in Russia's war on Ukraine but I think it's possible for it already to be over 200k soldiers and civilians, definitely over 100k since over 30k civilians died in Mariupol (likely many more some say 100k in Marioupol alone). We probably won't get good numbers till after the war

pron 4y ago

I wasn't (although I'll qualify with "modern history"): https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/06/23/ukraine-war-deaths-soldiers-history/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/06/23/ukraine-wa...

ekianjo 4y ago
If? Since when do we qualify a war as deadly based on linear projections in the future?
- pron 4y ago
  No projections needed. By intensity it's in the top 25% deadliest already.
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    This statistic is completely irrelevant because we have massive outliers like WW1 and WW2 and then a host of small, proxy conflicts afterwards. You don't make statistics based on mixing apples and oranges together and then making classifications out of it. Plus, that Post article is ridiculous, you would obviously not put conflicts 200 years old like the US-Mexican war next to a conflict with modern weapons which are by nature much more deadly. If we go by this definition then most conflicts these days are in the upper 1% of fatalities compared to the whole of Human history, and that virtually says nothing interesting.
    - pron 4y ago
      First the problem was that it's hyperbole and now that it's too obvious to be interesting? In any event, that statement was true and the fact remains that it is not only probably the most intense of the ongoing fifty or so armed conflicts -- which very much makes it stand out -- it is also among the most deadly in a long time, so I think pointing that out is pertinent, despite your stylistic reservations. Also, you can reach out to Paul Poast if you want further explanation about the conflict: https://www.paulpoast.com/bio-cv https://www.paulpoast.com/bio-cv

rat87 4y ago

It's very hard to estimate casulties in Russia's war on Ukraine but I think it's possible for it already to be over 200k soldiers and civilians, definitely over 100k since over 30k civilians died in Mariupol (likely many more some say 100k in Marioupol alone). We probably won't get good numbers till after the war