> We should have a way to forward every single layer of the stack across each hop, and return back each layer of the stack, so that we can programmatically dete

> We should have a way to forward every single layer of the stack across each hop, and return back each layer of the stack, so that we can programmatically determine the exact causes of network issues Thats virtual networking. but that introduces latency if its not well configured. > But right now, you need a human being to jump onto the user's computer and fire up an assortment of random tools in mystical combinations and use human intuition to divine what's going on, like a god damn Networking Gandalf not really, assuming you have the right fabric, its nowhere near as hard as that. Plus you seem to be forgetting that there is more to the network than TCP. There is a whole physical layer that has lots of semantics that greatly affect how easy it is to debug higher levels.