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> There were roughly 30GW of net capacity in nuclear added in 1985. Didn't know we are living in 1985. > Compare to around 500GWh/yr of already existing batte
by dmitriid 4y ago
> There were roughly 30GW of net capacity in nuclear added in 1985.
Didn't know we are living in 1985.
> Compare to around 500GWh/yr of already existing battery production
1. Are these batteries all used in grid energy storage, or are you taking the full output including things like batteries for remotes?
2. How many of those batteries are actually scalable solutions, deployed, and working. It's kinda funny how my opponents continuously try to steer away the conversation away from this.
3. Compare that to "nuclear power plants generate about a tenth of the world's electricity" which amounts to about 2 653 344 GWh [1]
> The nuclear industry was briefly almost at the current a scale of renewable + storage production.
Storage solutions are not even remotely near nuclear. Without storage renewables have to be significantly overprovisioned to be used reliably.
To repeat again.
It's funny how you pulled the conversation entirely away from discussing tech that often is strictly theoretical, and most of which hasn't been proven to work at scale on the level of even one nuclear plant to... «but what about nuclear».
> Your "at scale" is a tiny fraction of the scale that would be needed, and at that larger, true scale,
Which of the tech listed here has this "true scale": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33387011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33387011 ?
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Edit: don't bother. This discussion isn't in good faith, and being willingly derailed into discussing everything and anything other then the original statements I replied to.
I'm not going to engage in this conversation further.
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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_by_country
- Schroedingersat 4y ago> Didn't know we are living in 1985. Well we can compare to new capacity added in 2021 if you like? There were 5GW added. There were enough batteries made in 2021 for a 50 hour storage for every nuclear plant that came online with plenty to spare. The point is that if renewables + batteries are not of sufficient scale, then nothing is. If the bar for pursuing a solution to a problem is that the problem already be solved, then noone will ever solve anything. Lithium battery production is much closer than the scale of nuclear construction ever was. Having a tantrum when this is pointed out doesn't change it.