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Phew! Lula politics rescued 11 millions of people from poverty. On the other hand, Bolsonaro's irresponsible behavior, and bath masses, and alienated lies duri

Phew! Lula politics rescued 11 millions of people from poverty. On the other hand, Bolsonaro's irresponsible behavior, and bath masses, and alienated lies during COVID years is most probably directly responsible for the death of thousands of Brazilians. He has transparently tried to cull as many poor and indigenous as possible. I'm astonished that so many people had still voted somebody that tried actively to kill them.

matheusmoreira 4y ago
I agree that many of Bolsonaro's actions are straight up indefensible, but how can you be relieved by this outcome? We just elected a known corrupt criminal communist to the presidency. A person who openly campaigns for media censorship, demilitarization of police, disarmament of citizens, decriminalization of drugs and other "small crimes". With known ties to criminal organizations including drug trafficking from which he received considerable support. Whose party is the most scandalous in the country. I'm seriously worried about what's going to happen now.
- pvaldes 4y ago
  In absence of other options, choose the lesser evil. Some of those things are debatable. To start, Bolsonaro has been videotaped repeatedly trying to silence, harass and insult journalists and to censor scientifically proven facts, so as "captain of the free speech", is definitely a very poor example I can't speak for the reality of the country, but some Bolsonaro followers had been videotaped harassing and even killing random people with fireweapons in public space. Removing this people the access to weapons feels the correct option (and putting them in jail is urgently needed). Bolsonaro would have happily lead the country to a civil war after ecological disaster. Could you list some things that are better in Brazil after Bolsonaro and are fully attributable to him? (were not happening yet with Lula)
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    > some Bolsonaro followers had been videotaped I have videos of Lula followers doing similar stuff too. I have videos of drug traffickers executing Bolsonaro supporters and campaigners in their territories and celebrating Lula's victory with assault rifle gunfire. I have videos of PT supporters invading private property and sacking a store. This looks pretty bad for both sides to be honest. > Could you list some things that are better in Brazil after Bolsonaro and are fully attributable to him? I don't even support this guy, I voted for someone else in the first round of elections. I just can't believe this country put Lula back in power.
    - pvaldes 4y ago
      Can't confirm or deny this videos, and will not lecture brazilians about their own country. In any case I assume that the probability of brazilians being served fake news in the next weeks is really high. I would expect a lot of false flag actions trying to snare the gullible and push them to do illegal things to support Bolsonaro. You would greatly benefit of an equivalent to "maldito bulo" (https://maldita.es https://maldita.es) for Portuguese speaking countries. Time to remain very sceptical to the mass media, keep cold and care for yourself. I hope all will be okay.
      - pvaldes 4y ago
        Hum, even better, they had covered it yet https://maldita.es/malditobulo/20221028/elecciones-brasil-bulo-lula-bolsonaro/ https://maldita.es/malditobulo/20221028/elecciones-brasil-bu...
      - matheusmoreira 4y ago
        I can't verify these videos but I'm not ready to just dismiss them as fake news either. Some of this stuff actually made it to the Lula-friendly mass media. Recordings of drug traffickers saying Bolsonaro is bad news for them. Videos of their cheers echoing in prisons after Lula won the first round. > Time to remain very sceptical to the mass media, keep cold and care for yourself. I hope all will be okay. Agreed, I'll be focusing on myself for now. I hope we'll all be okay.
      - 4y ago
- rpgbr 4y ago
  Ffs, Lula isn’t “a criminal”. He was convicted by a corrupted federal judge, as our Supreme Court decided. Lula is a breath of relief after four years under Bolsonaro insane, perverse term. I’m Brazilian, voted for Lula, and I’m really happy for his victory. Bolsonaro was a tragedy — 30 million Brazilians went back to starving under his disastrous government after we eradicated hunger in mid-2010. With Lula, hope is back in Brazil!
  - whatthesmack 4y ago
    > Ffs, Lula isn’t “a criminal”. He was convicted by a corrupted federal judge, as our Supreme Court decided. Important to note that some consider the leftist Supreme Federal Court to be the corrupt one in this instance. They literally banned social media speech that claimed Lula is corrupt.
    - rpgbr 4y ago
      They literally banned nothing. What they did was to took down false information from extremist outlets and social media accounts. Get informed, please.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    > Ffs, Lula isn’t “a criminal”. Bullshit. > He was convicted by a corrupted federal judge, as our Supreme Court decided. He was convicted multiple times by multiple judges at multiple levels of the brazilian justice system. He was convicted when he was tried. He was convicted when he appealed. Only when the case reached the supreme court did they let him walk on a bullshit jurisdiction technicality, pending a new trial which will probably never happen now that he's back in power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva > Lula was found guilty by the lower court of accepting R$3.7 million in bribes ($1.2 million US) in the form of improvements to his beachfront house > On 25 January 2018, the Appeal Court of Porto Alegre found Lula guilty of corruption and money laundering and increased his sentence to 12 years of prison > On 23 March 2021, the Supreme Federal Court ruled by a 3–2 decision that Moro, who had overseen Lula's trial in a case, was biased against him. I don't give a shit what you think about Bolsonaro but don't tell me this guy is innocent. I don't believe that for a second.
- dontlaugh 4y ago
  Sadly he’s not a communist, centre-left at most. Brazil has two communist parties, they both critique Lula from the left.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    > he’s not a communist I have videos of him openly saying his long term plan is the installation of socialism in Brazil. How could he not be a communist? > Brazil has two communist parties And today Lula appointed a minister from one of those communist parties.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

I agree that many of Bolsonaro's actions are straight up indefensible, but how can you be relieved by this outcome? We just elected a known corrupt criminal communist to the presidency. A person who openly campaigns for media censorship, demilitarization of police, disarmament of citizens, decriminalization of drugs and other "small crimes". With known ties to criminal organizations including drug trafficking from which he received considerable support. Whose party is the most scandalous in the country. I'm seriously worried about what's going to happen now.

pvaldes 4y ago
In absence of other options, choose the lesser evil. Some of those things are debatable. To start, Bolsonaro has been videotaped repeatedly trying to silence, harass and insult journalists and to censor scientifically proven facts, so as "captain of the free speech", is definitely a very poor example I can't speak for the reality of the country, but some Bolsonaro followers had been videotaped harassing and even killing random people with fireweapons in public space. Removing this people the access to weapons feels the correct option (and putting them in jail is urgently needed). Bolsonaro would have happily lead the country to a civil war after ecological disaster. Could you list some things that are better in Brazil after Bolsonaro and are fully attributable to him? (were not happening yet with Lula)
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  > some Bolsonaro followers had been videotaped I have videos of Lula followers doing similar stuff too. I have videos of drug traffickers executing Bolsonaro supporters and campaigners in their territories and celebrating Lula's victory with assault rifle gunfire. I have videos of PT supporters invading private property and sacking a store. This looks pretty bad for both sides to be honest. > Could you list some things that are better in Brazil after Bolsonaro and are fully attributable to him? I don't even support this guy, I voted for someone else in the first round of elections. I just can't believe this country put Lula back in power.
  - pvaldes 4y ago
    Can't confirm or deny this videos, and will not lecture brazilians about their own country. In any case I assume that the probability of brazilians being served fake news in the next weeks is really high. I would expect a lot of false flag actions trying to snare the gullible and push them to do illegal things to support Bolsonaro. You would greatly benefit of an equivalent to "maldito bulo" (https://maldita.es https://maldita.es) for Portuguese speaking countries. Time to remain very sceptical to the mass media, keep cold and care for yourself. I hope all will be okay.
    - pvaldes 4y ago
      Hum, even better, they had covered it yet https://maldita.es/malditobulo/20221028/elecciones-brasil-bulo-lula-bolsonaro/ https://maldita.es/malditobulo/20221028/elecciones-brasil-bu...
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      I can't verify these videos but I'm not ready to just dismiss them as fake news either. Some of this stuff actually made it to the Lula-friendly mass media. Recordings of drug traffickers saying Bolsonaro is bad news for them. Videos of their cheers echoing in prisons after Lula won the first round. > Time to remain very sceptical to the mass media, keep cold and care for yourself. I hope all will be okay. Agreed, I'll be focusing on myself for now. I hope we'll all be okay.
    - 4y ago
rpgbr 4y ago
Ffs, Lula isn’t “a criminal”. He was convicted by a corrupted federal judge, as our Supreme Court decided. Lula is a breath of relief after four years under Bolsonaro insane, perverse term. I’m Brazilian, voted for Lula, and I’m really happy for his victory. Bolsonaro was a tragedy — 30 million Brazilians went back to starving under his disastrous government after we eradicated hunger in mid-2010. With Lula, hope is back in Brazil!
- whatthesmack 4y ago
  > Ffs, Lula isn’t “a criminal”. He was convicted by a corrupted federal judge, as our Supreme Court decided. Important to note that some consider the leftist Supreme Federal Court to be the corrupt one in this instance. They literally banned social media speech that claimed Lula is corrupt.
  - rpgbr 4y ago
    They literally banned nothing. What they did was to took down false information from extremist outlets and social media accounts. Get informed, please.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  > Ffs, Lula isn’t “a criminal”. Bullshit. > He was convicted by a corrupted federal judge, as our Supreme Court decided. He was convicted multiple times by multiple judges at multiple levels of the brazilian justice system. He was convicted when he was tried. He was convicted when he appealed. Only when the case reached the supreme court did they let him walk on a bullshit jurisdiction technicality, pending a new trial which will probably never happen now that he's back in power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva > Lula was found guilty by the lower court of accepting R$3.7 million in bribes ($1.2 million US) in the form of improvements to his beachfront house > On 25 January 2018, the Appeal Court of Porto Alegre found Lula guilty of corruption and money laundering and increased his sentence to 12 years of prison > On 23 March 2021, the Supreme Federal Court ruled by a 3–2 decision that Moro, who had overseen Lula's trial in a case, was biased against him. I don't give a shit what you think about Bolsonaro but don't tell me this guy is innocent. I don't believe that for a second.
dontlaugh 4y ago
Sadly he’s not a communist, centre-left at most. Brazil has two communist parties, they both critique Lula from the left.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  > he’s not a communist I have videos of him openly saying his long term plan is the installation of socialism in Brazil. How could he not be a communist? > Brazil has two communist parties And today Lula appointed a minister from one of those communist parties.