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What are you talking about? I live here, I know dozens of people who say openly that Lula is innocent and that the whole Lava Jato operation was a farce. This i

What are you talking about? I live here, I know dozens of people who say openly that Lula is innocent and that the whole Lava Jato operation was a farce. This is pretty common thought in the more radical left here.

tchaffee 4y ago
I live here too. I already said that Lula is the exception. Yes, the more radical left does say that. At least now you're being more specific and more accurate. Your original claim was far more sweeping. And wrong.
- EL_Loco 4y ago
  Supporters of the PT party number in the tens of millions. What percentage of them would you say have the opinion that the Lava-Jato operation was a farce? 9 out of 10 PT supporters make this claim, that it was a farce. The majority of 'the left' claims this. The people you're referring to is not 'the left'. You said that it's a rare person who says this, which is very, very wrong.
  - tchaffee 4y ago
    > What percentage of them would you say have the opinion that the Lava-Jato operation was a farce? That depends on what details you ask for. If you ask if them if Moro was biased and corrupt, they can simply point to the court ruling that he was. If you ask them if the politicians who went to jail were all innocent, you'll get far far fewer people supporting that idea. The details are important. > 9 out of 10 PT supporters make this claim, Please share your source for this information. > The people you're referring to is not 'the left'. They are. When my friends tell me they are politically left, it's not up to you to decide they aren't the "real" left, whatever that might be.
    - EL_Loco 4y ago
      > it's not up to you to decide they aren't the "real" left Sorry, but sometimes it is. When Bolsonaro's crowd started caliming that the Nazi Party was a leftist party because it had "Socialit" in its name, I can comfortably decide that no, the National Socialist Party was not socialist. When my friends tell me that they are against socialized medical care and that people should also pay for their children's education, yet he says that he's a "leftist", I can comfortably decide that no, he's not.
      - tchaffee 4y ago
        You don't know my friends. I do. When my friends say they are left and believe in socialized medicine and other leftist policy, I can comfortably decide they are left. Also note: no true Scotsman logical fallacy. Did you come up with a source for your claim that 9 out of 10 PT members will say Lava Jato was a complete farse and that no one was guilty of corruption?
        EL_Loco 4y ago
        You're right, the majority of Petistas approve of the Lava-Jato operation. Only the rare one will condemn it as a farce. Again, whatever...
        tchaffee 4y ago
        It's safe to say you don't have a source and just made your numbers up. And you just asked me in another thread for an answer without sarcasm and yet here you are being sarcastic. One rule for us, another rule for you. Whatever indeed.

tchaffee 4y ago

I live here too. I already said that Lula is the exception. Yes, the more radical left does say that. At least now you're being more specific and more accurate. Your original claim was far more sweeping. And wrong.

EL_Loco 4y ago
Supporters of the PT party number in the tens of millions. What percentage of them would you say have the opinion that the Lava-Jato operation was a farce? 9 out of 10 PT supporters make this claim, that it was a farce. The majority of 'the left' claims this. The people you're referring to is not 'the left'. You said that it's a rare person who says this, which is very, very wrong.
- tchaffee 4y ago
  > What percentage of them would you say have the opinion that the Lava-Jato operation was a farce? That depends on what details you ask for. If you ask if them if Moro was biased and corrupt, they can simply point to the court ruling that he was. If you ask them if the politicians who went to jail were all innocent, you'll get far far fewer people supporting that idea. The details are important. > 9 out of 10 PT supporters make this claim, Please share your source for this information. > The people you're referring to is not 'the left'. They are. When my friends tell me they are politically left, it's not up to you to decide they aren't the "real" left, whatever that might be.
  - EL_Loco 4y ago
    > it's not up to you to decide they aren't the "real" left Sorry, but sometimes it is. When Bolsonaro's crowd started caliming that the Nazi Party was a leftist party because it had "Socialit" in its name, I can comfortably decide that no, the National Socialist Party was not socialist. When my friends tell me that they are against socialized medical care and that people should also pay for their children's education, yet he says that he's a "leftist", I can comfortably decide that no, he's not.
    - tchaffee 4y ago
      You don't know my friends. I do. When my friends say they are left and believe in socialized medicine and other leftist policy, I can comfortably decide they are left. Also note: no true Scotsman logical fallacy. Did you come up with a source for your claim that 9 out of 10 PT members will say Lava Jato was a complete farse and that no one was guilty of corruption?
      - EL_Loco 4y ago
        You're right, the majority of Petistas approve of the Lava-Jato operation. Only the rare one will condemn it as a farce. Again, whatever...
        tchaffee 4y ago
        It's safe to say you don't have a source and just made your numbers up. And you just asked me in another thread for an answer without sarcasm and yet here you are being sarcastic. One rule for us, another rule for you. Whatever indeed.