I think the problem is that advocates do not believe that race is a just proxy for socioeconomic status. There also seems to be a common belief now that justice

I think the problem is that advocates do not believe that race is a just proxy for socioeconomic status. There also seems to be a common belief now that justice for past wrongs means equity of outcome, not only equality of opportunity. I'm not going to try to defend or argue against these beliefs, but I think a big difficulty in these discussions is that people aren't even understanding each other's arguments and worldviews. Of course, looking at and staying focused on actual data and research would be nice, but frankly that's not easy because social science data tends to be messy and social science research is extremely difficult to do correctly. You also have to be able to at least define and agree on operational goals/outcomes, which might be a challenge in and of itself.