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If this actually happens, what will the demographics at top universities end up looking like?

by Dig1t 4y ago

bparsons 4y ago
- ryan93 4y ago
  How many asians were in that class?
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  That makes no sense at all. The demographics of America have changed substantially between then and now.
  - Izkata 4y ago
    Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_d... I wouldn't call that "substantially". For the most part it looks like "mixed race", "other", and "asian" displaced "white" since then (with no hint of how much "mixed race" is partial-white). "Black" and "native" has barely budged.
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      > (with no hint of how much "mixed race" is partial-white) You mean people like Obama? Guess he counts as basically white in your book, because he's "mixed race" and partial-white? I guess you figure Obama as president was not "substantially" different from Eisenhower being president in the 50s, both are basically white right?
      - Izkata 4y ago
        Great example of interpreting my words in the worst possible way! What about Elizabeth Warren? Is she white, native american, or mixed race? My point there was that these are self-identifying labels on the census, and "two or more races" wasn't even an option until 2000, so that option can't be compared to 1960 - we have no way of knowing how many of them would have picked "white" vs the others.
Test0129 4y ago
The universities have been doing a underhand work around for affirmative action for a long time now. In particular the ivy's have been allowing certain races more leniency on standardized tests and other performance metrics in order to promote so-called diversity. I do not expect this to change. They needed the above workarounds because it is often the case in the recent decade that white people in particular were reaching minority status in their population. This would mean white people would be entitled to affirmative action treatment at their university. According to dogma this is certainly not "diverse" and therefore, not good. I'm not going to spend 20 minutes hunting for source as this has been discussed here on frontpage topics for the last few years. It's common knowledge at this point. I think the supreme court is making the smart choice here because affirmative action is often being ignored by the universities. There's no sense in even having it if they are defining their own rules to select for non-asian, non-white students. The existence or lack thereof of this ruling will not change the current bigoted admission policies of the ivy's.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  In which Ivy League universities were white students reaching minority status?
  - Test0129 4y ago
    Ivy's were one example of the problem. Not of the white minority. As far as I know, ivy leagues do not have a white majority (owing to the legacy membership programs at many of them). However, one article [0] points to this happening in the midwest. It is also becoming the case at my local university who follows harvard's doctrine of race-based SAT/GRE admission standards. [0] https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/08/29/competitive-midwestern-private-colleges-go-white-minority https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/08/29...
    - Eisenstein 4y ago
      The linked article uses a strange system for calling white students a 'minority'. If you count everyone who is not 'white' as one group then sure, but that makes no sense. In this discussion here people are speaking of 'Jewish' 'Asian' and 'Black' students as distinct, yet when 'white' is counted then everyone 'not-white' get grouped together. 38% white with 20% asian and 10% black, etc, does not make 'white students a minority'. Also, it is incredibly difficult to take the 'white' demographic label seriously when it comes to people concerned about it becoming a minority because it is not a demographic that can be joined. A black person and white person have a child, and that child is black. There is no way for a person of color to have a 'white' child, while the opposite is true for a white person having a 'child of color', so therefore the 'white' demographic cannot do anything but become smaller and smaller until it ceases to exist.
barney54 4y ago
A lot more Asians at top universities.
- deleted 4y ago
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If this actually happens, what will the demographics at top universities end up looking like?

by Dig1t 4y ago

If this actually happens, what will the demographics at top universities end up looking like?

bparsons 4y ago

ryan93 4y ago
How many asians were in that class?
MichaelCollins 4y ago
That makes no sense at all. The demographics of America have changed substantially between then and now.
- Izkata 4y ago
  Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_d... I wouldn't call that "substantially". For the most part it looks like "mixed race", "other", and "asian" displaced "white" since then (with no hint of how much "mixed race" is partial-white). "Black" and "native" has barely budged.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    > (with no hint of how much "mixed race" is partial-white) You mean people like Obama? Guess he counts as basically white in your book, because he's "mixed race" and partial-white? I guess you figure Obama as president was not "substantially" different from Eisenhower being president in the 50s, both are basically white right?
    - Izkata 4y ago
      Great example of interpreting my words in the worst possible way! What about Elizabeth Warren? Is she white, native american, or mixed race? My point there was that these are self-identifying labels on the census, and "two or more races" wasn't even an option until 2000, so that option can't be compared to 1960 - we have no way of knowing how many of them would have picked "white" vs the others.

Test0129 4y ago

The universities have been doing a underhand work around for affirmative action for a long time now. In particular the ivy's have been allowing certain races more leniency on standardized tests and other performance metrics in order to promote so-called diversity. I do not expect this to change. They needed the above workarounds because it is often the case in the recent decade that white people in particular were reaching minority status in their population. This would mean white people would be entitled to affirmative action treatment at their university. According to dogma this is certainly not "diverse" and therefore, not good. I'm not going to spend 20 minutes hunting for source as this has been discussed here on frontpage topics for the last few years. It's common knowledge at this point. I think the supreme court is making the smart choice here because affirmative action is often being ignored by the universities. There's no sense in even having it if they are defining their own rules to select for non-asian, non-white students. The existence or lack thereof of this ruling will not change the current bigoted admission policies of the ivy's.

Eisenstein 4y ago
In which Ivy League universities were white students reaching minority status?
- Test0129 4y ago
  Ivy's were one example of the problem. Not of the white minority. As far as I know, ivy leagues do not have a white majority (owing to the legacy membership programs at many of them). However, one article [0] points to this happening in the midwest. It is also becoming the case at my local university who follows harvard's doctrine of race-based SAT/GRE admission standards. [0] https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/08/29/competitive-midwestern-private-colleges-go-white-minority https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/08/29...
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    The linked article uses a strange system for calling white students a 'minority'. If you count everyone who is not 'white' as one group then sure, but that makes no sense. In this discussion here people are speaking of 'Jewish' 'Asian' and 'Black' students as distinct, yet when 'white' is counted then everyone 'not-white' get grouped together. 38% white with 20% asian and 10% black, etc, does not make 'white students a minority'. Also, it is incredibly difficult to take the 'white' demographic label seriously when it comes to people concerned about it becoming a minority because it is not a demographic that can be joined. A black person and white person have a child, and that child is black. There is no way for a person of color to have a 'white' child, while the opposite is true for a white person having a 'child of color', so therefore the 'white' demographic cannot do anything but become smaller and smaller until it ceases to exist.

barney54 4y ago

A lot more Asians at top universities.

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