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I don't think Amazon has that much of a problem with the jailbreaks. I can't see how they would loose any money with it, and who uses them, knows that he can po

I don't think Amazon has that much of a problem with the jailbreaks. I can't see how they would loose any money with it, and who uses them, knows that he can potentially brick the device.

tspiteri 15y ago
As I see it, Amazon does have an interest in users not jailbreaking or bricking devices. They sell the devices at around cost to sell content. If a user jailbreaks a device, Amazon loses the tight control on where the content comes from, and if a user bricks a device, Amazon sells no content for that device at all.
- Genmutant 15y ago
  In what way have they tight control over the content? You can load whatever you want over usb or wlan on the device.
- non123 15y ago
  Have you ever used a Kindle? You can put any book on it that is either PDF, mobi and a few other formats.
  - tspiteri 15y ago
    Yes, I do use a Kindle. All content I read on it was from Amazon. I know I can get content from somewhere else, but it will never be as convenient as getting it from Amazon.
    - slig 15y ago
      It's almost as convenient. You just have to download the file, and email it at your @(free.)kindle.com address. No cables, no big and heavy Java app to do file conversion, nothing.
    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      You or others may be interested in the "Magic Catalog" for Project Gutenberg. It's basically an ebook that you put onto your kindle that is a catalog of all the books on Project Gutenberg. You select any that you want and it automagically grabs them for you. After the initial effort investment (not that hard, since you can download it with the kindle's browser), I would say it's actually easier.
      - tspiteri 15y ago
        Thank you. That is indeed a nice way to get Project Gutenberg books.
    - pnathan 15y ago
      Erm. I have a Kindle DX, and if I download a PDF or Mobi, I can copy and paste it into the Kindle when it's connected. It's only a few more seconds than an Amazon buy.
raphman 15y ago
I guess, this would mean that a user can remove the ads from the ad-supported Kindle and save $40. This would mean that Amazon loses almost 30% in revenue each time they sell a Kindle Touch that is to be jailbroken.
- ckorhonen 15y ago
  I suspect the vast majority of customers don't care about the ads, and wouldn't expect them to pay to remove them in the first place. As far as ad-supported services go, the Kindle is actually quite good - totally unobtrusive, and you actually get some good offers, things like $5 off a $10 purchase.
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  Although the other "special offer" kindles have been jailbroken for some time, the kindle hacking community seems to be doing a good job of refusing to (at least for the relative layman) disable advertisements on them or enable any sort of tethering over 3g.
  - esrauch 15y ago
    You must have a certain website or subset of the community in mind. I actually got a Kindle 3 a couple months ago and the majority of the discussion that I could find about homebrew on the device was centered around removing the ads. I browsed 4 or 5 forums before deciding it was a lost cause. In fact, I wasn't even really able to find anything other than removing the ads and changing the screensaver as what you can do after your kindle is jailbroken.
- dangrossman 15y ago
  The ads are so good that I'd choose an ad-supported kindle over an ad-free one at the same price point. Virtually all my shopping, aside from perishable foods, can be done at Amazon.com -- I've bought toilet paper, ketchup, packing supplies, cereal, etc. there -- that the offers will probably pay for the device.
notatoad 15y ago
whether they are looking the other way on jailbreaks or not, this sounds like a rather serious security problem. it's nice that i can run my own code on the device, but that also means that any mp3 files i download off the internet can run other, potentially malicious code.
- ghshephard 15y ago
  Thankfully, this is the Kindle Touch, not the Kindle Fire. I"m guessing maybe 1% of people will use their Kindle Touch as an MP3 player, so this is mostly positive news - A jailbreak vector with little damage seen in the wild - the potential is their, it's just unlikely to be leveraged.

I don't think Amazon has that much of a problem with the jailbreaks. I can't see how they would loose any money with it, and who uses them, knows that he can potentially brick the device.

tspiteri 15y ago

As I see it, Amazon does have an interest in users not jailbreaking or bricking devices. They sell the devices at around cost to sell content. If a user jailbreaks a device, Amazon loses the tight control on where the content comes from, and if a user bricks a device, Amazon sells no content for that device at all.

Genmutant 15y ago
In what way have they tight control over the content? You can load whatever you want over usb or wlan on the device.
non123 15y ago
Have you ever used a Kindle? You can put any book on it that is either PDF, mobi and a few other formats.
- tspiteri 15y ago
  Yes, I do use a Kindle. All content I read on it was from Amazon. I know I can get content from somewhere else, but it will never be as convenient as getting it from Amazon.
  - slig 15y ago
    It's almost as convenient. You just have to download the file, and email it at your @(free.)kindle.com address. No cables, no big and heavy Java app to do file conversion, nothing.
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    You or others may be interested in the "Magic Catalog" for Project Gutenberg. It's basically an ebook that you put onto your kindle that is a catalog of all the books on Project Gutenberg. You select any that you want and it automagically grabs them for you. After the initial effort investment (not that hard, since you can download it with the kindle's browser), I would say it's actually easier.
    - tspiteri 15y ago
      Thank you. That is indeed a nice way to get Project Gutenberg books.
  - pnathan 15y ago
    Erm. I have a Kindle DX, and if I download a PDF or Mobi, I can copy and paste it into the Kindle when it's connected. It's only a few more seconds than an Amazon buy.

raphman 15y ago

I guess, this would mean that a user can remove the ads from the ad-supported Kindle and save $40. This would mean that Amazon loses almost 30% in revenue each time they sell a Kindle Touch that is to be jailbroken.

ckorhonen 15y ago
I suspect the vast majority of customers don't care about the ads, and wouldn't expect them to pay to remove them in the first place. As far as ad-supported services go, the Kindle is actually quite good - totally unobtrusive, and you actually get some good offers, things like $5 off a $10 purchase.
burgerbrain 15y ago
Although the other "special offer" kindles have been jailbroken for some time, the kindle hacking community seems to be doing a good job of refusing to (at least for the relative layman) disable advertisements on them or enable any sort of tethering over 3g.
- esrauch 15y ago
  You must have a certain website or subset of the community in mind. I actually got a Kindle 3 a couple months ago and the majority of the discussion that I could find about homebrew on the device was centered around removing the ads. I browsed 4 or 5 forums before deciding it was a lost cause. In fact, I wasn't even really able to find anything other than removing the ads and changing the screensaver as what you can do after your kindle is jailbroken.
dangrossman 15y ago
The ads are so good that I'd choose an ad-supported kindle over an ad-free one at the same price point. Virtually all my shopping, aside from perishable foods, can be done at Amazon.com -- I've bought toilet paper, ketchup, packing supplies, cereal, etc. there -- that the offers will probably pay for the device.

notatoad 15y ago

whether they are looking the other way on jailbreaks or not, this sounds like a rather serious security problem. it's nice that i can run my own code on the device, but that also means that any mp3 files i download off the internet can run other, potentially malicious code.

ghshephard 15y ago
Thankfully, this is the Kindle Touch, not the Kindle Fire. I"m guessing maybe 1% of people will use their Kindle Touch as an MP3 player, so this is mostly positive news - A jailbreak vector with little damage seen in the wild - the potential is their, it's just unlikely to be leveraged.