It has been my observation that the “humanitarian” experiments in the US have been a large net negative for everyone involved. It is not theoretical. It’s not

It has been my observation that the “humanitarian” experiments in the US have been a large net negative for everyone involved. It is not theoretical. It’s not a bizzaro reality: peoples and cultures vary across geography in different ways. Contrary to being a reactionary, my fear is that the denial of these differences and the failure of well-intentioned policies is going to eventually lead to a draconian authoritarian backlash that could be prevented by having more sensible policies now. And as I said in my original post, many of the worst aspects of American culture and the legal system are already downstream consequences of failed “humanitarian” policies that are making a mockery of justice, civil rights, and peace/safety. All in all, I am afraid that you will not make much progress by assuming everyone who disagrees with you is a morally objectionable reactionary and refusing to seriously engage with them. You are making a religious argument and not a policy argument. I also don’t think it does you service to conflate punishment with torture and make straw men.