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What differentiates the older Star Treks from the shows that have come out in the last 20 years is the optimism. Instead of a depressing vision of the future, S

by gommm 4y ago

What differentiates the older Star Treks from the shows that have come out in the last 20 years is the optimism. Instead of a depressing vision of the future, Star Trek dared to show a better future. Instead of only having conflicts drive the story forward, Star Trek's main drive was the thrill of discovery, asking questions about what it means to live in this Galaxy. I miss having shows that convey a feeling of hope for the future. The current mostly dystopian grimdark sci-fi is an easy way for unimaginative writers to make their world feel more real at the expense of destroying that hope. It's sad that even the new Star Trek movies (post 2009) and shows courtesy of Alan Kurtzman and J.J. Abrams have completely lost that spirit of the previous Star Treks. Instead it's a bland insipid take on the Star Trek universe by people who have no clue of what makes Star Trek Star Trek and do not respect it.

ho_schi 4y ago
Yep. The older Star Trek cared about the story and acting, despite the struggles in the first seasons of TNG the succeeded. The newer ones lacking (any) logic and are just quick action. PS: ST Lower Decks is great :)
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  > The newer ones lacking (any) logic and are just quick action. It's not just that they're "not Star Trek"—they're terribly written even if you pretend they're not Star Trek and are just generic sci-fi. Picard especially. My god, what a trainwreck. Like five people, zero of whom were good writers, assembled the plot using the telephone game. SNW is, somehow, extremely good. No idea how that happened. And yeah, Lower Decks should have sucked (that trailer, ugh) but is in fact quite good.
pmontra 4y ago
Strange New Worlds is a welcome change on this trend. About TNG, who am I to argue with Ursula Le Guin but it lost me after only a few episodes because it was all talking talking talking, nothing interesting to see. Plenty of shows like that (no scifi.) My friends loved it.
- ghaff 4y ago
  In fairness, S1 of TNG was with some exceptions not great. It got better.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    "Conspiracy" was good; the rest was bad-to-horrible.
- otikik 4y ago
  It gets better after number 1 grows a beard.
- npunt 4y ago
  Perhaps by the standards of what entertains you, TNG's talking isn't entertaining - I can understand that based on the current media landscape and the strong visual culture we're in. But if you know it carries a different POV that many people feel is meaningful, and you're curious about having that feeling as well, maybe you might be open to exploring different ways to be entertained and approach it with different expectations? It can take some time and active effort to attune to different perspectives but can really be worth it. Also, best to start with season 3 :)
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  > About TNG, who am I to argue with Ursula Le Guin but it lost me after only a few episodes because it was all talking talking talking, nothing interesting to see. Plenty of shows like that (no scifi.) My friends loved it. The show gets by on the reputation of later seasons, and handful of excellent episodes, and that era of TV being pretty mediocre, especially for sci-fi. S1 has basically zero good episodes (though, unfortunately, several that you kinda need to watch anyway) while S2 only has a few, and in S3 it finally really gets going. Even then, in the "good" seasons, a solid 1/4 of the episodes are pretty bad.
- darepublic 4y ago
  Did you watch from the beginning or did you jump to one of the classics? If the former I suggest you give one of the well rated episodes a try.
LegitShady 4y ago
I cancelled netflix because basically all of its suggestions were in the 'dystopian' category. I cancelled prime video because it was much of the same, along with ruining properties I enjoyed when I was younger like Wheel of Time (a show I forced myself to watch for one season and then thought about analytically to decide if I could justify their changes for tv adaptation - I couldn't). Modern takes on everything suck. The culture that produces modern tv/movies is not one I want to participate in, and their writers are terrible. Abrahms ability to ruin everything he touches while everyone celebrates is jusst another extension of this. The one thing the marvel MCU used to have was the ability to still tell hero stories. DC never figured it out (although there Z Snyder was at fault). I'd rather not know what is being done now, and just cherish my memories and copies of the older material. It's less annoying and honestly there's nothing of value in the new stuff except sometimes cinematography.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  My take on most of the content of Syfy channel pretty much aligned with this old comic. http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/ http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/

by gommm 4y ago

ho_schi 4y ago

Yep. The older Star Trek cared about the story and acting, despite the struggles in the first seasons of TNG the succeeded. The newer ones lacking (any) logic and are just quick action. PS: ST Lower Decks is great :)

yamtaddle 4y ago
> The newer ones lacking (any) logic and are just quick action. It's not just that they're "not Star Trek"—they're terribly written even if you pretend they're not Star Trek and are just generic sci-fi. Picard especially. My god, what a trainwreck. Like five people, zero of whom were good writers, assembled the plot using the telephone game. SNW is, somehow, extremely good. No idea how that happened. And yeah, Lower Decks should have sucked (that trailer, ugh) but is in fact quite good.

pmontra 4y ago

Strange New Worlds is a welcome change on this trend. About TNG, who am I to argue with Ursula Le Guin but it lost me after only a few episodes because it was all talking talking talking, nothing interesting to see. Plenty of shows like that (no scifi.) My friends loved it.

ghaff 4y ago
In fairness, S1 of TNG was with some exceptions not great. It got better.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  "Conspiracy" was good; the rest was bad-to-horrible.
otikik 4y ago
It gets better after number 1 grows a beard.
npunt 4y ago
Perhaps by the standards of what entertains you, TNG's talking isn't entertaining - I can understand that based on the current media landscape and the strong visual culture we're in. But if you know it carries a different POV that many people feel is meaningful, and you're curious about having that feeling as well, maybe you might be open to exploring different ways to be entertained and approach it with different expectations? It can take some time and active effort to attune to different perspectives but can really be worth it. Also, best to start with season 3 :)
yamtaddle 4y ago
> About TNG, who am I to argue with Ursula Le Guin but it lost me after only a few episodes because it was all talking talking talking, nothing interesting to see. Plenty of shows like that (no scifi.) My friends loved it. The show gets by on the reputation of later seasons, and handful of excellent episodes, and that era of TV being pretty mediocre, especially for sci-fi. S1 has basically zero good episodes (though, unfortunately, several that you kinda need to watch anyway) while S2 only has a few, and in S3 it finally really gets going. Even then, in the "good" seasons, a solid 1/4 of the episodes are pretty bad.
darepublic 4y ago
Did you watch from the beginning or did you jump to one of the classics? If the former I suggest you give one of the well rated episodes a try.

LegitShady 4y ago

I cancelled netflix because basically all of its suggestions were in the 'dystopian' category. I cancelled prime video because it was much of the same, along with ruining properties I enjoyed when I was younger like Wheel of Time (a show I forced myself to watch for one season and then thought about analytically to decide if I could justify their changes for tv adaptation - I couldn't). Modern takes on everything suck. The culture that produces modern tv/movies is not one I want to participate in, and their writers are terrible. Abrahms ability to ruin everything he touches while everyone celebrates is jusst another extension of this. The one thing the marvel MCU used to have was the ability to still tell hero stories. DC never figured it out (although there Z Snyder was at fault). I'd rather not know what is being done now, and just cherish my memories and copies of the older material. It's less annoying and honestly there's nothing of value in the new stuff except sometimes cinematography.

shadowgovt 4y ago
My take on most of the content of Syfy channel pretty much aligned with this old comic. http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/ http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/