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> we tried pulling back policing and slap-on-the-wrist prosecution policies and violent crime is surging Firstly, where is pulling back policing happening? I d

> we tried pulling back policing and slap-on-the-wrist prosecution policies and violent crime is surging Firstly, where is pulling back policing happening? I don't know of a single city that has actually reduced their police size to any real sense? Additionally, how do we know this isn't just correlation and not causation? Inflation is higher, more people are addicted to things, housing insecurity is rising.

alex_sf 4y ago
> Firstly, where is pulling back policing happening? Most metropolitan areas. Seattle [1][2] and Minneapolis [3] have both established public policies of not responding to, citing, or arresting for a wide range of offenses. > I don't know of a single city that has actually reduced their police size to any real sense? Minneapolis has reduced the number of police officers, through various means, by 30%. [4] > Additionally, how do we know this isn't just correlation and not causation? Because we have multiple studies proving a causal relationship. [5][6] [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/seattle-police-halted-investigating-adult-sexual-assaults-this-year-internal-memo-shows/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/sea... [2] https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/seattle-police-bellevue-other-law-enforcement-immediately-stop-arresting-people-drug-possession/BXK4XTO3DFCYZFGQ3YOYTYJFUI/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/seattle-police-bellevue-oth... [3] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-policing-minneapolis/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-poli... [4] https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minnesota-supreme-court-orders-minneapolis-to-hire-more-cops-as-city-down-more-than-200-officers-from-2-years-ago/ https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minnesota-supreme-cou... [5] https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/rssa.12142 https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/rssa.12142 [6] https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/426877 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/426877
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  If this is true, then why are the places with the least crime also not the places with the most police? I'm genuinely asking out of curiosity.
  - alex_sf 4y ago
    Crime has multiple causes, and multiple solutions. One proven solution is increased police presence. It isn't required, though.
    - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
      Thanks for educating me about it!
  - rmasters 4y ago
    I'm not the person you asked, but if I rephrase your question to "Then why do some places with low crime have less police?", then the answer just seems to be common sense.

alex_sf 4y ago

> Firstly, where is pulling back policing happening? Most metropolitan areas. Seattle [1][2] and Minneapolis [3] have both established public policies of not responding to, citing, or arresting for a wide range of offenses. > I don't know of a single city that has actually reduced their police size to any real sense? Minneapolis has reduced the number of police officers, through various means, by 30%. [4] > Additionally, how do we know this isn't just correlation and not causation? Because we have multiple studies proving a causal relationship. [5][6] [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/seattle-police-halted-investigating-adult-sexual-assaults-this-year-internal-memo-shows/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/sea... [2] https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/seattle-police-bellevue-other-law-enforcement-immediately-stop-arresting-people-drug-possession/BXK4XTO3DFCYZFGQ3YOYTYJFUI/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/seattle-police-bellevue-oth... [3] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-policing-minneapolis/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-poli... [4] https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minnesota-supreme-court-orders-minneapolis-to-hire-more-cops-as-city-down-more-than-200-officers-from-2-years-ago/ https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minnesota-supreme-cou... [5] https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/rssa.12142 https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/rssa.12142 [6] https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/426877 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/426877

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
If this is true, then why are the places with the least crime also not the places with the most police? I'm genuinely asking out of curiosity.
- alex_sf 4y ago
  Crime has multiple causes, and multiple solutions. One proven solution is increased police presence. It isn't required, though.
  - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
    Thanks for educating me about it!
- rmasters 4y ago
  I'm not the person you asked, but if I rephrase your question to "Then why do some places with low crime have less police?", then the answer just seems to be common sense.