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> There are dangerous individuals that need to be removed from society, and when they're not, they hurt and kill those around them. A more insidious problem is

> There are dangerous individuals that need to be removed from society, and when they're not, they hurt and kill those around them. A more insidious problem is that there are some guys who aren't as dangerous as killers/rapists, but who are nuisance to others (e.g. multi-recidivist non violent theft). Putting them away for years doesn't seem like a fair solution.

Georgelemental 4y ago
In general, the welfare of law-abiding citizens should be prioritized over that of criminals. But for certain crimes, I do thing short but harsh corporal punishment would be fairer and more effective than prison.
hermanubis 4y ago
For privileged people theft is mainly an inconvenience. When my laptop got stolen I just filled out a form at work and got a replacement the next day. But for lots of people it’s more than that. If you work on cars or houses your tools are your livelihood. Getting them stolen means losing your job or replacing them at retail prices which is out of reach for lots of people. Likewise at the community college I go to some people are barely holding on. If their laptop gets stolen they either drop out or don’t pay rent that month. There are lots of people who would rather be violently assaulted than have their stuff stolen so the idea that theft is nonviolent has always seemed like a luxury belief to me.
- msmenardi 4y ago
  Privileged people also tend to conceptualize theft as "theft from a corporation" as in, stealing clothes from Target or slim jims from a gas station. The idea that their entire livelihood could be taken from them doesn't cross their mind
homonculus1 4y ago
Theft isn't a mere nuisance, it's an attack on one of the fundamental buttresses against chaos and violence. The cost of living in a low-trust environment is orders of magnitude greater than the value of the items stolen. Severe penalties for persistent defection against society are absolutely warranted.
- moralestapia 4y ago
  >The cost of living in a low-trust environment is orders of magnitude greater than the value of the items stolen. Absolutely!

Georgelemental 4y ago

In general, the welfare of law-abiding citizens should be prioritized over that of criminals. But for certain crimes, I do thing short but harsh corporal punishment would be fairer and more effective than prison.

hermanubis 4y ago

For privileged people theft is mainly an inconvenience. When my laptop got stolen I just filled out a form at work and got a replacement the next day. But for lots of people it’s more than that. If you work on cars or houses your tools are your livelihood. Getting them stolen means losing your job or replacing them at retail prices which is out of reach for lots of people. Likewise at the community college I go to some people are barely holding on. If their laptop gets stolen they either drop out or don’t pay rent that month. There are lots of people who would rather be violently assaulted than have their stuff stolen so the idea that theft is nonviolent has always seemed like a luxury belief to me.

msmenardi 4y ago
Privileged people also tend to conceptualize theft as "theft from a corporation" as in, stealing clothes from Target or slim jims from a gas station. The idea that their entire livelihood could be taken from them doesn't cross their mind

homonculus1 4y ago

Theft isn't a mere nuisance, it's an attack on one of the fundamental buttresses against chaos and violence. The cost of living in a low-trust environment is orders of magnitude greater than the value of the items stolen. Severe penalties for persistent defection against society are absolutely warranted.

moralestapia 4y ago
>The cost of living in a low-trust environment is orders of magnitude greater than the value of the items stolen. Absolutely!