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Maybe. From what I understand, he's relatively happy about how it all turned out, and that makes me uneasy. He can also fake repentance any time he feels like

Maybe. From what I understand, he's relatively happy about how it all turned out, and that makes me uneasy. He can also fake repentance any time he feels like it, so I'm not sure why you are so convinced about the outcome of some future hearing 10 years from now.

watwut 4y ago
Except that it does not work the way you imply. He wont get out merely for saying "I repent". What you are doing amount to a lie - using caricature and exaggeration of theoretical possibility. Making rhetorical make points to make people outraged over shadows is harmful.
- twelve40 4y ago
  Take it easy with the accusations. If he has absolutely no chance to repent in the next 10 years, what is the purpose of that hearing?
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Because it's a general rule for all of the criminals, not one especially for him. Even Treebeard eventually let Saruman go, so we can't predict what may occur in the future. However, in this case, since he likely sees himself as a "freedom fighter", he'll never try to admit wrongdoing to get out because that would ruin his image of himself.
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- googlryas 4y ago
  How would the courts differentiate between someone who actually repented and was sorry vs someone who just convincingly went through the motions?
  - ACS_Solver 4y ago
    How do the courts differentiate between witnesses who are truthful vs those who are lying? How do parole boards evaluate whether someone repents? In such extreme cases especially, it wouldn't be a judge making their mind up after a two-minute statement from a convict. The hearing will have prison personnel testifying about years of interaction with the person. There will be psychologists providing their perspective. There could be a repeated psychiatric evaluation. Can that process be fooled? Certainly, as there exists no certain way to tell whether someone is being truthful. But successfully faking your way out of a continued sentence requires more than putting on a convincing act for a few hearings.
    - googlryas 4y ago
      Sure, I agree entirely. I just think the stakes are too high for him to ever be released. Not that it seems likely any time soon anyways.
      - ACS_Solver 4y ago
        Nobody in the country thinks it's at all a possibility for the foreseeable future. He won't be released - the man is behind the deadliest peacetime crime in Norway. Even if he sincerely repents at some point, he'll have to spend many more years behind the bars with perfect behavior for a release to be considered. If he repents the murders, if he renounces his ideology, and if he spends a couple decades as a repentful man would, he will, just maybe, get released when he's old, frail and not expected to live long.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Long term track record of actions compared to severity of crime. Plus psychological reports, which are much harder to fake.

watwut 4y ago

Except that it does not work the way you imply. He wont get out merely for saying "I repent". What you are doing amount to a lie - using caricature and exaggeration of theoretical possibility. Making rhetorical make points to make people outraged over shadows is harmful.

twelve40 4y ago
Take it easy with the accusations. If he has absolutely no chance to repent in the next 10 years, what is the purpose of that hearing?
- bombcar 4y ago
  Because it's a general rule for all of the criminals, not one especially for him. Even Treebeard eventually let Saruman go, so we can't predict what may occur in the future. However, in this case, since he likely sees himself as a "freedom fighter", he'll never try to admit wrongdoing to get out because that would ruin his image of himself.
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googlryas 4y ago
How would the courts differentiate between someone who actually repented and was sorry vs someone who just convincingly went through the motions?
- ACS_Solver 4y ago
  How do the courts differentiate between witnesses who are truthful vs those who are lying? How do parole boards evaluate whether someone repents? In such extreme cases especially, it wouldn't be a judge making their mind up after a two-minute statement from a convict. The hearing will have prison personnel testifying about years of interaction with the person. There will be psychologists providing their perspective. There could be a repeated psychiatric evaluation. Can that process be fooled? Certainly, as there exists no certain way to tell whether someone is being truthful. But successfully faking your way out of a continued sentence requires more than putting on a convincing act for a few hearings.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    Sure, I agree entirely. I just think the stakes are too high for him to ever be released. Not that it seems likely any time soon anyways.
    - ACS_Solver 4y ago
      Nobody in the country thinks it's at all a possibility for the foreseeable future. He won't be released - the man is behind the deadliest peacetime crime in Norway. Even if he sincerely repents at some point, he'll have to spend many more years behind the bars with perfect behavior for a release to be considered. If he repents the murders, if he renounces his ideology, and if he spends a couple decades as a repentful man would, he will, just maybe, get released when he's old, frail and not expected to live long.
- watwut 4y ago
  Long term track record of actions compared to severity of crime. Plus psychological reports, which are much harder to fake.