> designated as a male at birth in the uncommon case of being born with inadequately formed male genitals and maintaining that designation into adulthood. I fi

> designated as a male at birth in the uncommon case of being born with inadequately formed male genitals and maintaining that designation into adulthood. I find it interesting that you spend most of your message talking about the biological precedent of calling someone with a penis and a scrotum "man", yet even within your ideological construction you have to allow for some wiggle room. > It does not refer to the feelings or self-image of persons designated "transexual males" Says who? My FtM friends are "men" just like my friends with a penis that consider themselves men. >if the new meanings they seek for those words are not accepted by their societies. Trans stuff isn't particularly new. Being taken seriously is what's new for us. Apologies if that's a little uncomfortable for you as a cis person, that must be very very very difficult to deal with. > Being unable to accept that the meanings of words is as they are understood by the parties in the discussion is a sign of emotional immaturity If you'd like further reading on how sex and gender work, I suggest Gender Trouble by Judith Butler.