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> When starting the car, it loses the connection, and sometimes can't reestablish it. We are long past the point as an industry when we should have collectivel

> When starting the car, it loses the connection, and sometimes can't reestablish it. We are long past the point as an industry when we should have collectively declared Bluetooth a failed experiment.

guitarbill 4y ago
This old thing. Bluetooth is a technology that works fine for me and millions of others every single day. That is not to say it always works flawlessly. Seemingly every time I am forced to use Windows or Teams, it doesn't work. And if I had a car like the parent where it was my only option, I would also be annoyed. But let's say I agreed with you, so us and what industry would declare it failed? Some Bluetooth consortium, i.e. the same people who make 99% of these devices with likely unbelievably buggy implementations hacked together in the minimum of time? Society at large? Consumers? Some union of software engineers? I am very sympathetic to people's lives been made more annoying by technology that doesn't work, just as I am to people's lives being made worse by technology that does work. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution, either. (Maybe right-to-repair could be a starting point for open-source efforts to change products where incentives don't align. Doesn't help much with firmware though.)
prepend 4y ago
I use Bluetooth every time with my car and I never have a connection problem. I use an old iPhone and my car is 5 years old. It may be an issue with GP’s car rather than the protocol itself. Turning your car off and on for Bluetooth sounds particularly stupid. I can unpair and pair my car without restarting it.
- m463 4y ago
  I don't know, but I'll bet there's a lot of iphone-specific workarounds compiled into the car's code.
- Akronymus 4y ago
  I can unpair and re-pair without restarting it as well. But then sometimes there is no sound coming through, or it requires me to turn the car off anyways.

guitarbill 4y ago

This old thing. Bluetooth is a technology that works fine for me and millions of others every single day. That is not to say it always works flawlessly. Seemingly every time I am forced to use Windows or Teams, it doesn't work. And if I had a car like the parent where it was my only option, I would also be annoyed. But let's say I agreed with you, so us and what industry would declare it failed? Some Bluetooth consortium, i.e. the same people who make 99% of these devices with likely unbelievably buggy implementations hacked together in the minimum of time? Society at large? Consumers? Some union of software engineers? I am very sympathetic to people's lives been made more annoying by technology that doesn't work, just as I am to people's lives being made worse by technology that does work. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution, either. (Maybe right-to-repair could be a starting point for open-source efforts to change products where incentives don't align. Doesn't help much with firmware though.)

prepend 4y ago

I use Bluetooth every time with my car and I never have a connection problem. I use an old iPhone and my car is 5 years old. It may be an issue with GP’s car rather than the protocol itself. Turning your car off and on for Bluetooth sounds particularly stupid. I can unpair and pair my car without restarting it.

m463 4y ago
I don't know, but I'll bet there's a lot of iphone-specific workarounds compiled into the car's code.
Akronymus 4y ago
I can unpair and re-pair without restarting it as well. But then sometimes there is no sound coming through, or it requires me to turn the car off anyways.