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The ADA is a definitely a case of great idea, terrible execution. Unfortunately, doctors (and really businesses in general) are forced into a no-win situation w

The ADA is a definitely a case of great idea, terrible execution. Unfortunately, doctors (and really businesses in general) are forced into a no-win situation where as you stated you either comply in the fullest legally, or face a potential customer looking for a reason to sink your business. Where I live, the ADA is also responsible for some of the large increase in home prices over the last 20 years. I wish it differentiated between necessary things like ramps, spots in a waiting area, etc, vs unnecessary things. There are just simply too many disabilities for even an honest, well intentioned business owner to keep up with. Of course, without retaining an insanely expensive lawyer.

kayodelycaon 4y ago
What’s an example of an unnecessary thing?
- Test0129 4y ago
  I dunno, that's the point. Since it only technically requires "reasonable accommodation" it's up to interpretation. "Reasonable accommodation" has been used by ambulance chasers to sink businesses. I'm sure a set of absolutes could be codified. I'm getting downvoted to death for having an opinion again so I'm just gonna leave the topic.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    The ADA should have been the government providing disabled people with sufficient cash to purchase the services or products they need to address their disability, or the government can provide it directly. But by diffusing the responsibility across businesses, the government can say they helped people without spending any money or taking responsibility to help people. For example, why would a doctor need to arrange for translation or sign language services? If the government wants to give a disabled person those benefits, the government should pay the disabled person to purchase the services of a sign language interpreter, or provide them one directly.
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      How does a disabled person purchase a ramp or handrail for the building they are trying to enter?
      - zo1 4y ago
        They hire someone to carry them? They fund an insurance pool that allows them to dial a handy caretaker within distance when they need it? Maybe it's enough to fund stair-capable wheel chair robots. Who knows. Maybe they just call ahead, check, and then ask a friend or family member to go with them.
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Lol, thanks. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. What an absolutely terrible solution.
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    - ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
      This is entirely ineffective, in fact that's what the government does in many countries including the U.S. You cannot address the second-order effects of the lack of accessibility by throwing pennies at disabled people, unless you want to write them million dollar cheques. The problem can only be solved by giving them equal access to healthcare, education, employment and society in general, when you do this you allow them to become productive members of society who are self-sufficient. Giving someone a 1000$ in welfare every month is not going to help when they were prevented from going to school, finding a job, and getting out of their house at all.
  - kayodelycaon 4y ago
    Reasonable accommodation isn’t significantly onerous in the vast majority of cases. You don’t have to provide the accommodation a person wants. For example… - Ordering via phone could be an acceptable accommodation for an inaccessible website. (Just don’t place the person on hold for half an hour.) - Pen and paper can be used for communication when verbal communication isn’t possible. - If someone is blind, you may be able to read things for them. I’ll often get people still objecting to this level of accommodation because it is still inconvenient.
    - User23 4y ago
      > If someone is blind, you may be able to read things for them. You should see the look on the receptionist’s face when she has to, oh no, fill out the stupid overly repetitive paperwork doctors give their patients. The last time I did it I had to fill out my name and address like five different times.
    - logicalmonster 4y ago
      > Reasonable accommodation isn’t significantly onerous in the vast majority of cases. You are correct that a reasonable accommodation isn't particularly hard in many cases. The disconnect in communication here is that you're thinking in terms of a reasonable person. Unreasonable people exist. There are unfortunately some disabled people that would refuse to be satisfied by almost anything you provide them. The ADA lawsuits don't magically vanish just because you try and be reasonable and they refuse to be satisfied in turn hoping for some payday. The vast majority of disabled people are probably thankful for the accommodation, but it just takes 1 ambulance chasing jerk to pursue a dumb case that sinks a business.
      - kayodelycaon 4y ago
        One unreasonable person can ruin a lot of things. You’re never getting around that. I wish ADA wasn’t handled by lawsuits, but everything is the US is a fucking lawsuit… The problem I have is many businesses don’t even try in the first place. They don’t know anything about ADA and point to the one unreasonable person as justification to do nothing. There are far more businesses being “unreasonable” than there are people filing ADA lawsuits.
fzeroracer 4y ago
> Where I live, the ADA is also responsible for some of the large increase in home prices over the last 20 years. Where exactly are you getting this from?

kayodelycaon 4y ago

What’s an example of an unnecessary thing?

Test0129 4y ago
I dunno, that's the point. Since it only technically requires "reasonable accommodation" it's up to interpretation. "Reasonable accommodation" has been used by ambulance chasers to sink businesses. I'm sure a set of absolutes could be codified. I'm getting downvoted to death for having an opinion again so I'm just gonna leave the topic.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  The ADA should have been the government providing disabled people with sufficient cash to purchase the services or products they need to address their disability, or the government can provide it directly. But by diffusing the responsibility across businesses, the government can say they helped people without spending any money or taking responsibility to help people. For example, why would a doctor need to arrange for translation or sign language services? If the government wants to give a disabled person those benefits, the government should pay the disabled person to purchase the services of a sign language interpreter, or provide them one directly.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    How does a disabled person purchase a ramp or handrail for the building they are trying to enter?
    - zo1 4y ago
      They hire someone to carry them? They fund an insurance pool that allows them to dial a handy caretaker within distance when they need it? Maybe it's enough to fund stair-capable wheel chair robots. Who knows. Maybe they just call ahead, check, and then ask a friend or family member to go with them.
      - kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Lol, thanks. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. What an absolutely terrible solution.
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  - ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
    This is entirely ineffective, in fact that's what the government does in many countries including the U.S. You cannot address the second-order effects of the lack of accessibility by throwing pennies at disabled people, unless you want to write them million dollar cheques. The problem can only be solved by giving them equal access to healthcare, education, employment and society in general, when you do this you allow them to become productive members of society who are self-sufficient. Giving someone a 1000$ in welfare every month is not going to help when they were prevented from going to school, finding a job, and getting out of their house at all.
- kayodelycaon 4y ago
  Reasonable accommodation isn’t significantly onerous in the vast majority of cases. You don’t have to provide the accommodation a person wants. For example… - Ordering via phone could be an acceptable accommodation for an inaccessible website. (Just don’t place the person on hold for half an hour.) - Pen and paper can be used for communication when verbal communication isn’t possible. - If someone is blind, you may be able to read things for them. I’ll often get people still objecting to this level of accommodation because it is still inconvenient.
  - User23 4y ago
    > If someone is blind, you may be able to read things for them. You should see the look on the receptionist’s face when she has to, oh no, fill out the stupid overly repetitive paperwork doctors give their patients. The last time I did it I had to fill out my name and address like five different times.
  - logicalmonster 4y ago
    > Reasonable accommodation isn’t significantly onerous in the vast majority of cases. You are correct that a reasonable accommodation isn't particularly hard in many cases. The disconnect in communication here is that you're thinking in terms of a reasonable person. Unreasonable people exist. There are unfortunately some disabled people that would refuse to be satisfied by almost anything you provide them. The ADA lawsuits don't magically vanish just because you try and be reasonable and they refuse to be satisfied in turn hoping for some payday. The vast majority of disabled people are probably thankful for the accommodation, but it just takes 1 ambulance chasing jerk to pursue a dumb case that sinks a business.
    - kayodelycaon 4y ago
      One unreasonable person can ruin a lot of things. You’re never getting around that. I wish ADA wasn’t handled by lawsuits, but everything is the US is a fucking lawsuit… The problem I have is many businesses don’t even try in the first place. They don’t know anything about ADA and point to the one unreasonable person as justification to do nothing. There are far more businesses being “unreasonable” than there are people filing ADA lawsuits.

fzeroracer 4y ago

> Where I live, the ADA is also responsible for some of the large increase in home prices over the last 20 years. Where exactly are you getting this from?