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And there is Type 3 - over flowing with energy and drive to succeed but zero imagination or creativity. They waste everyones energy and time and ideally should

by gsatic 4y ago

And there is Type 3 - over flowing with energy and drive to succeed but zero imagination or creativity. They waste everyones energy and time and ideally should be shot of into space to leave the rest of the chimp troupe in peace.

bjornsing 4y ago
That’s unfortunately a common archetype in the “tech” startup world, yes…
- synu 4y ago
  Quite common in rise and grind hustler culture in any industry as well.
  - bjornsing 4y ago
    But it probably works better there? I mean you can be a decent hustler in an established company/industry without much creativity or imagination.
mongol 4y ago
Then, by induction, there must be Type 4, that lacks both ambition and talent.
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  Of course.
- slowmovintarget 4y ago
  If they're employed at all, it's in middle ranks in government or unionized jobs.
- smugma 4y ago
  From the Wikipedia page: The next ones are stupid and lazy; they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the mental clarity and strength of nerve necessary for difficult decisions.
theGnuMe 4y ago
You put these people into sales.
- apohn 4y ago
  Unfortunately this is what happens in real life. And those people have the ability to completely derail sales opportunities because they don't know when to stop selling because they a) can't recognize when they can't win the deal or b)don't realize they have won and make such a mess they end up wrecking it.
apohn 4y ago
There was a German General who classified people into 4 categories based on if they were hardworking, lazy, smart, or stupid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Hammerstein-Equord#Classification_of_officers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Hammerstein-Equord#Cl... His comment on Type 3 - "One must beware of anyone who is both stupid and hardworking; he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always only cause damage." I once had a manager and his manager who were both like this. I've never seen a dynamic duo with more skill in turning a group of good ICs in a bunch of dancing monkeys churning out pointless work. But hey, while problems solved was zero, number of PowerPoints in the shared drive was over 9000.
- cableshaft 4y ago
  > But hey, while problems solved was zero, number of PowerPoints in the shared drive was over 9000. Vegeta would be impressed.
  - apohn 4y ago
    >Vegeta would be impressed. lol. I'm glad somebody got this reference. It's pretty dated at this point. Nowadays it's all about people going bald after working out.
    - 6stringmerc 4y ago
      I seem to recall Oprah having some issue with the number as well…
- philipov 4y ago
  A classic example of Type 3 is Emperor Nicholas II of Russia. So determined to work hard and do his duty that he was completely unwilling to delegate, with no effort spared in coming up with the worst possible solution to every problem.
- ghaff 4y ago
  I wouldn’t go so far as to call them stupid but I once had a colleague—not my manager thankfully—whose approach to doing everything was essentially shotgun frantic activity.

by gsatic 4y ago

bjornsing 4y ago

That’s unfortunately a common archetype in the “tech” startup world, yes…

synu 4y ago
Quite common in rise and grind hustler culture in any industry as well.
- bjornsing 4y ago
  But it probably works better there? I mean you can be a decent hustler in an established company/industry without much creativity or imagination.

mongol 4y ago

Then, by induction, there must be Type 4, that lacks both ambition and talent.

theGnuMe 4y ago
Of course.
slowmovintarget 4y ago
If they're employed at all, it's in middle ranks in government or unionized jobs.
smugma 4y ago
From the Wikipedia page: The next ones are stupid and lazy; they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the mental clarity and strength of nerve necessary for difficult decisions.

theGnuMe 4y ago

You put these people into sales.

apohn 4y ago
Unfortunately this is what happens in real life. And those people have the ability to completely derail sales opportunities because they don't know when to stop selling because they a) can't recognize when they can't win the deal or b)don't realize they have won and make such a mess they end up wrecking it.

apohn 4y ago

There was a German General who classified people into 4 categories based on if they were hardworking, lazy, smart, or stupid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Hammerstein-Equord#Classification_of_officers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Hammerstein-Equord#Cl... His comment on Type 3 - "One must beware of anyone who is both stupid and hardworking; he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always only cause damage." I once had a manager and his manager who were both like this. I've never seen a dynamic duo with more skill in turning a group of good ICs in a bunch of dancing monkeys churning out pointless work. But hey, while problems solved was zero, number of PowerPoints in the shared drive was over 9000.

cableshaft 4y ago
> But hey, while problems solved was zero, number of PowerPoints in the shared drive was over 9000. Vegeta would be impressed.
- apohn 4y ago
  >Vegeta would be impressed. lol. I'm glad somebody got this reference. It's pretty dated at this point. Nowadays it's all about people going bald after working out.
  - 6stringmerc 4y ago
    I seem to recall Oprah having some issue with the number as well…
philipov 4y ago
A classic example of Type 3 is Emperor Nicholas II of Russia. So determined to work hard and do his duty that he was completely unwilling to delegate, with no effort spared in coming up with the worst possible solution to every problem.
ghaff 4y ago
I wouldn’t go so far as to call them stupid but I once had a colleague—not my manager thankfully—whose approach to doing everything was essentially shotgun frantic activity.