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This is a huge thing on Wikipedia. Nationalist factions on both sides endlessly edit-war about this. "Spanish Catalan" is a blatantly constructed compromise tha

This is a huge thing on Wikipedia. Nationalist factions on both sides endlessly edit-war about this. "Spanish Catalan" is a blatantly constructed compromise that somewhat keeps both sides happy enough not to break the truce.

ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
Having lived in Catalonia for many years, and speaking both Spanish and Catalan, they absolutely have a point. "Spanish Catalan", construction I have never seen before today, is like calling Nicola Sturgeon an "English Scottish" person: it's an absurdity.
- harperlee 4y ago
  It’s only absurd due to the insistence of adding qualifiers to an official citizenship. We might as well say that Gaudi was Earthling European Spanish Catalan Cadaquesian. His citizenship was Spanish, his culture multidimensional. As stated above, this tag is a compromise due to political movements endlessly changing it.
  - ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
    >His citizenship was Spanish Subtle implication that nobody in Catalonia wants a Catalan passport instead of a Spanish one.
- AndrewDucker 4y ago
  Is it not the same as "British Scottish"? (Spain being the larger unit)
  - ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
    >Is it not the same as "British Scottish"? No, because [Great] Britain is comprised of three countries: England, Scotland, and Wales, which is a level of respect Madrid has yet to afford Catalonia. Perhaps Spain will one day become a republic of states, in which case Catalonia, the Basque Country, and Galicia will be the first three in line along with however else the rest of the autonomous communities organise themselves. Better yet, those three will regain their independence and Madrid can rule over those regions which have traditionally (well, since the Moors left, anyway) spoken Spanish. (As an aside, ever since the Partition of Ireland, the UK is more formally known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.)
    - harperlee 4y ago
      Perhaps! But calling the current constitutional arrangements that favour Catalonia or the Basque country over other regions of the country a lack of respect is some mental gymnastics. UK and Spain don’t have the same history, so there might be other reasons apart from “respect” that make the status quo. Also, ask the northern irish about their general concept of british respect of nationalities…
      - ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
        I'll just leave this here. https://www.elnacional.cat/en/politics/spain-psoe-pp-veto-official-eu-status-catalan-basque-galician_910608_102.html https://www.elnacional.cat/en/politics/spain-psoe-pp-veto-of...

ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago

Having lived in Catalonia for many years, and speaking both Spanish and Catalan, they absolutely have a point. "Spanish Catalan", construction I have never seen before today, is like calling Nicola Sturgeon an "English Scottish" person: it's an absurdity.

harperlee 4y ago
It’s only absurd due to the insistence of adding qualifiers to an official citizenship. We might as well say that Gaudi was Earthling European Spanish Catalan Cadaquesian. His citizenship was Spanish, his culture multidimensional. As stated above, this tag is a compromise due to political movements endlessly changing it.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
  >His citizenship was Spanish Subtle implication that nobody in Catalonia wants a Catalan passport instead of a Spanish one.
AndrewDucker 4y ago
Is it not the same as "British Scottish"? (Spain being the larger unit)
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
  >Is it not the same as "British Scottish"? No, because [Great] Britain is comprised of three countries: England, Scotland, and Wales, which is a level of respect Madrid has yet to afford Catalonia. Perhaps Spain will one day become a republic of states, in which case Catalonia, the Basque Country, and Galicia will be the first three in line along with however else the rest of the autonomous communities organise themselves. Better yet, those three will regain their independence and Madrid can rule over those regions which have traditionally (well, since the Moors left, anyway) spoken Spanish. (As an aside, ever since the Partition of Ireland, the UK is more formally known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.)
  - harperlee 4y ago
    Perhaps! But calling the current constitutional arrangements that favour Catalonia or the Basque country over other regions of the country a lack of respect is some mental gymnastics. UK and Spain don’t have the same history, so there might be other reasons apart from “respect” that make the status quo. Also, ask the northern irish about their general concept of british respect of nationalities…
    - ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
      I'll just leave this here. https://www.elnacional.cat/en/politics/spain-psoe-pp-veto-official-eu-status-catalan-basque-galician_910608_102.html https://www.elnacional.cat/en/politics/spain-psoe-pp-veto-of...