Actually this this is exactly the sort of answer I’m trying to provoke when I ask people to elaborate on something political. It was level headed and clear, and

Actually this this is exactly the sort of answer I’m trying to provoke when I ask people to elaborate on something political. It was level headed and clear, and you provided references I can add to my own notes. Thank you! You also added a few extra stories I didn’t hear before. I knew that his brother was a professional crank and the pro-Russia NATO stuff did get played pretty widely so I saw some of that in Australia, and while it looks particularly bad in hindsight now Russia started a war and ended any pretence of the legitimacy with regard to Russia-Ukraine relations since 2014 (there was at least for a while, consideration that the Crimea annexation was conducted legitimately given the cultural demographics involved, but we have all learned a lot about this since 2014), he wasn’t the only politician making that sort of statement. The train stuff and the wreath in Tunisia were new to me though and I hadn’t heard anywhere near as much about Dianne Abbot as that wiki link provides. It’s definitely a more complete picture of someone that you could rightly have reservations about trusting. It’s hard for me to say he could have been worse than any other politician, they all say and do things to appease and entice voters and then actually do different things and provide elaborate reasonings why that was actually what people wanted all along, or completely change their minds about things once they are in power and discover that the full picture of how things are that they were not privy to while campaigning as an outsider or even while in opposition. And as someone who lives in Australia where voting is compulsory and we get this sort of dampening effect “for free”, kudos for still voting against a bad politician when many others in the UK and USA would simply not have bothered. And thanks again for the excellent reply!