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Then maybe he’s always right. As chief engineer at Space X for example, if he was an idiot or surrounded by idiots do you really think he would be succeeding?

giantrobot 4y ago
> As chief engineer at Space X If that line itself isn't enough to tell you he's full of shit you have hopelessly fallen for the myth of his Tony Stark-like brilliance. Do you honestly think he contributes any meaningful engineering work at SpaceX? If he didn't own SpaceX, what about his history suggests he could even be an engineering intern there?
- georgeg23 4y ago
  Mike Griffin was the real chief engineer at SpaceX... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career
  - kjksf 4y ago
    They guy didn't even work at SpaceX. Please explain how it's possible to be chief engineer at SpaceX without even working there.
    - georgeg23 4y ago
      Read his career history and do a little digging. Mike was the government side of Elon's circus.
- thepasswordis 4y ago
  Yes? Many, many people who don’t work for musk or have a financial interest in him being competent have said in interviews that he has a deep engineering understanding of the rockets and especially their engines.
  - giantrobot 4y ago
    Most people have shit understanding of rockets. There's plenty of otherwise very intelligent people that do not have any grasp of rocketry. A competent amateur rocket enthusiast can easily sound like a "rocket scientist" to someone otherwise uninvolved with rocketry. Additionally, anyone being interviewed about Musk can't be said not to have a financial interest in him. Musk doesn't hang out with nerdy rocket scientists in his spare time. He rubs elbows with fellow rich people. It doesn't take much actual knowledge of rocketry to sound super knowledgeable about rocketry to someone with no knowledge of rocketry. Musk isn't a nincompoop but I've yet to hear anything out of his mouth about rocketry that suggests he could intern at his own company, let alone be seriously considered their chief engineer.
    - thepasswordis 4y ago
      The is such a common thing people say, that there are lists of reasons why you are wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
    - fourseventy 4y ago
      Watch elons multiple hour long interviews with The Everyday Astronaut about rocket design and tell me with a straight face that he has little knowledge about rockets. Or don't because it will destroy your narrative and you would rather live in your own bubble of delusion.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  SpaceX is successfully solving engineering problems. If Elon is surrounded by yes men, that means he's always right. That he probably isn't always right implies he doesn't surround himself solely with sycophants.
  - planetsprite 4y ago
    It's possible to be a sycophant who manages the politics of appeasing a narcissist while also solving problems on your own and letting said narcissist take the credit.
    - barry-cotter 4y ago
      If you’re the kind of narcissist who can attract that kind of sycophant you’ll have no problem getting investors. And no problem getting employees either.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > SpaceX is successfully solving engineering problems. If Elon is surrounded by yes men, that means he's always right. Alternatively, it means the organization is resilient enough to handle it. The US government has successfully accomplished all sorts of things while having various shitty people at the helm.
  - justinhj 4y ago
    I'm glad somebody got my point, lol.
- Nicksil 4y ago
  >If that line itself isn't enough to tell you he's full of shit you have hopelessly fallen for the myth of his Tony Stark-like brilliance. Do you honestly think he contributes any meaningful engineering work at SpaceX? If he didn't own SpaceX, what about his history suggests he could even be an engineering intern there? Every day there are a lot of software developers on this very website (in this very thread) and elsewhere, with no professional engineering background, nor uphold similar standards and professionalism, who refer to themself as engineer.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    "Computer engineer" and "mechanical engineer" have very different meanings when it comes to liability, certifications, etc.
- justinhj 4y ago
  May want to read this if you're interested in having your opinion changed by actual testimonials rather than just going with the tribal Spaceman bad line. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
  - justinhj 4y ago
    The downvote answers that lol
jahewson 4y ago
lol that’s what Gwynne Shotwell is for
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  Indeed, Elon knows how to hire good people, the kind who can assess others in their area of expertise.
- xeromal 4y ago
  who is a yes-man according the the post we're all replying to. lol

giantrobot 4y ago

> As chief engineer at Space X If that line itself isn't enough to tell you he's full of shit you have hopelessly fallen for the myth of his Tony Stark-like brilliance. Do you honestly think he contributes any meaningful engineering work at SpaceX? If he didn't own SpaceX, what about his history suggests he could even be an engineering intern there?

georgeg23 4y ago
Mike Griffin was the real chief engineer at SpaceX... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career
- kjksf 4y ago
  They guy didn't even work at SpaceX. Please explain how it's possible to be chief engineer at SpaceX without even working there.
  - georgeg23 4y ago
    Read his career history and do a little digging. Mike was the government side of Elon's circus.
thepasswordis 4y ago
Yes? Many, many people who don’t work for musk or have a financial interest in him being competent have said in interviews that he has a deep engineering understanding of the rockets and especially their engines.
- giantrobot 4y ago
  Most people have shit understanding of rockets. There's plenty of otherwise very intelligent people that do not have any grasp of rocketry. A competent amateur rocket enthusiast can easily sound like a "rocket scientist" to someone otherwise uninvolved with rocketry. Additionally, anyone being interviewed about Musk can't be said not to have a financial interest in him. Musk doesn't hang out with nerdy rocket scientists in his spare time. He rubs elbows with fellow rich people. It doesn't take much actual knowledge of rocketry to sound super knowledgeable about rocketry to someone with no knowledge of rocketry. Musk isn't a nincompoop but I've yet to hear anything out of his mouth about rocketry that suggests he could intern at his own company, let alone be seriously considered their chief engineer.
  - thepasswordis 4y ago
    The is such a common thing people say, that there are lists of reasons why you are wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
  - fourseventy 4y ago
    Watch elons multiple hour long interviews with The Everyday Astronaut about rocket design and tell me with a straight face that he has little knowledge about rockets. Or don't because it will destroy your narrative and you would rather live in your own bubble of delusion.
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
SpaceX is successfully solving engineering problems. If Elon is surrounded by yes men, that means he's always right. That he probably isn't always right implies he doesn't surround himself solely with sycophants.
- planetsprite 4y ago
  It's possible to be a sycophant who manages the politics of appeasing a narcissist while also solving problems on your own and letting said narcissist take the credit.
  - barry-cotter 4y ago
    If you’re the kind of narcissist who can attract that kind of sycophant you’ll have no problem getting investors. And no problem getting employees either.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > SpaceX is successfully solving engineering problems. If Elon is surrounded by yes men, that means he's always right. Alternatively, it means the organization is resilient enough to handle it. The US government has successfully accomplished all sorts of things while having various shitty people at the helm.
- justinhj 4y ago
  I'm glad somebody got my point, lol.
Nicksil 4y ago
>If that line itself isn't enough to tell you he's full of shit you have hopelessly fallen for the myth of his Tony Stark-like brilliance. Do you honestly think he contributes any meaningful engineering work at SpaceX? If he didn't own SpaceX, what about his history suggests he could even be an engineering intern there? Every day there are a lot of software developers on this very website (in this very thread) and elsewhere, with no professional engineering background, nor uphold similar standards and professionalism, who refer to themself as engineer.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  "Computer engineer" and "mechanical engineer" have very different meanings when it comes to liability, certifications, etc.
justinhj 4y ago
May want to read this if you're interested in having your opinion changed by actual testimonials rather than just going with the tribal Spaceman bad line. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
- justinhj 4y ago
  The downvote answers that lol

jahewson 4y ago

lol that’s what Gwynne Shotwell is for

barry-cotter 4y ago
Indeed, Elon knows how to hire good people, the kind who can assess others in their area of expertise.
xeromal 4y ago
who is a yes-man according the the post we're all replying to. lol