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from the same folks that brought you quiet quitting, the death of wfh, privatized healthcare is the best in the whole wide world, and trickle down economics com

from the same folks that brought you quiet quitting, the death of wfh, privatized healthcare is the best in the whole wide world, and trickle down economics comes the tale of how awesome it is to be a slave on a boat.

convolvatron 4y ago
not just awesome, you have enough money to hire a life-coach!
permo-w 4y ago
don’t forget infinite growth in a finite world
eesmith 4y ago
Yesterday I learned the term "economism", from https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/27/economism/#what-would-i-do-if-i-were-a-horse https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/27/economism/#what-would-i-d... : > Most of us believe that we do stuff because we want to be good people, and that other people act the same. But the dominant political philosophy for the last half-century, "economism," views us as slaves to "incentives" and nothing more. > Economism is the philosophy of the neoclassical economists, whose ideology has consumed both the Democrats and Republicans. They dismiss all "non-market" solutions (that is, projects of democratically accountable governments) as failed before they're begun, due to the "incentives" of the individuals in the government.
- machina_ex_deus 4y ago
  Just because some people's incentives are altruistic doesn't mean they don't act on incentives. Most of us believes there's more to be done than people want to do out of their own good will, and that some things nobody will want to do without an incentive. (I bet garbage truck workers don't do it from being good people). You might have the privilege of enjoying what you work for. So maybe take some time to realize that you're the outlier here. By the way, your so called "democratic accountability" is up for sale by your media, and their so called projects are incredibly corrupt because they were bought. If you took some time to understand economism, maybe you'll realize why your Congress budget bills look like they do.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    So you've defined "incentive" to mean anything which causes someone to decide to do something, including altruism. Making it impossible - by definition - for anyone to do something without incentive. Making the term a catch-all term-of-the-art, with a meaning quite different from the general meaning of "incentive". (Eg, the general term "incentive pay" is meaningless using the economism definition since all pay is incentive.) > some things nobody will want to do without an incentive By your definition, "out of their own good will" is an altruistic incentive, so of course it's impossible for someone to do this without incentive - you've defined it to be impossible. The problem with economism is how this technical definition gets confused with the general definition. I think you just did that. > I bet garbage truck workers don't do it from being good people That's .... a really sad view you have there of garbage truck workers. And of people. Literally no one is saying there are enough people like David Sedaris, who picks up rubbish as a hobby, to meet the garbage hauling needs. But if "incentive" includes altruism, then we know some garbage truck workers are partially incentivized by the public health role they play as sanitation workers, and the pride they get from helping keep the street clean. (Source: my cousin's husband was a garbage truck worker.) The problem is when economism reduces everything to strictly financial measures. > maybe you'll realize why your Congress budget bills look like they do I don't regard the US as having a healthy democratic system. > You might have the privilege of enjoying what you work for. So maybe take some time to realize that you're the outlier here. If every other day I come home from work crying, because I'm stuck in a position I can't change, would that change your opinion? Or are you just sniping at me for the lulz?
hgfdhfdhfdg 4y ago
That's funny because everyone across the world wants to immigrate to the US[1] [1]https://news.gallup.com/poll/245255/750-million-worldwide-migrate.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245255/750-million-worldwide-mi...
- thegayretard69 4y ago
  why the non-sequitur?
  - hgfdhfdhfdgg 4y ago
    because US industry frowns on quiet quitting, wfh, has privatized healthcare, and low taxes compared to the West
    - watwut 4y ago
      US industry is as west as it gets, literally nothing us more West.
CrazyPyroLinux 4y ago
I'm not disagreeing that there's some potential hypocrisy or irony here - I just don't see any relation between the things in your list.
- bergenty 4y ago
  Of course there is. It’s in support of the narrative that people need overseers and that some people know what’s best for the world and others don’t. We live in a time where there are a couple of agendas that everyone is trying to push, it’s all deeply related

convolvatron 4y ago

not just awesome, you have enough money to hire a life-coach!

permo-w 4y ago

don’t forget infinite growth in a finite world

eesmith 4y ago

Yesterday I learned the term "economism", from https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/27/economism/#what-would-i-do-if-i-were-a-horse https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/27/economism/#what-would-i-d... : > Most of us believe that we do stuff because we want to be good people, and that other people act the same. But the dominant political philosophy for the last half-century, "economism," views us as slaves to "incentives" and nothing more. > Economism is the philosophy of the neoclassical economists, whose ideology has consumed both the Democrats and Republicans. They dismiss all "non-market" solutions (that is, projects of democratically accountable governments) as failed before they're begun, due to the "incentives" of the individuals in the government.

machina_ex_deus 4y ago
Just because some people's incentives are altruistic doesn't mean they don't act on incentives. Most of us believes there's more to be done than people want to do out of their own good will, and that some things nobody will want to do without an incentive. (I bet garbage truck workers don't do it from being good people). You might have the privilege of enjoying what you work for. So maybe take some time to realize that you're the outlier here. By the way, your so called "democratic accountability" is up for sale by your media, and their so called projects are incredibly corrupt because they were bought. If you took some time to understand economism, maybe you'll realize why your Congress budget bills look like they do.
- eesmith 4y ago
  So you've defined "incentive" to mean anything which causes someone to decide to do something, including altruism. Making it impossible - by definition - for anyone to do something without incentive. Making the term a catch-all term-of-the-art, with a meaning quite different from the general meaning of "incentive". (Eg, the general term "incentive pay" is meaningless using the economism definition since all pay is incentive.) > some things nobody will want to do without an incentive By your definition, "out of their own good will" is an altruistic incentive, so of course it's impossible for someone to do this without incentive - you've defined it to be impossible. The problem with economism is how this technical definition gets confused with the general definition. I think you just did that. > I bet garbage truck workers don't do it from being good people That's .... a really sad view you have there of garbage truck workers. And of people. Literally no one is saying there are enough people like David Sedaris, who picks up rubbish as a hobby, to meet the garbage hauling needs. But if "incentive" includes altruism, then we know some garbage truck workers are partially incentivized by the public health role they play as sanitation workers, and the pride they get from helping keep the street clean. (Source: my cousin's husband was a garbage truck worker.) The problem is when economism reduces everything to strictly financial measures. > maybe you'll realize why your Congress budget bills look like they do I don't regard the US as having a healthy democratic system. > You might have the privilege of enjoying what you work for. So maybe take some time to realize that you're the outlier here. If every other day I come home from work crying, because I'm stuck in a position I can't change, would that change your opinion? Or are you just sniping at me for the lulz?

hgfdhfdhfdg 4y ago

That's funny because everyone across the world wants to immigrate to the US[1] [1]https://news.gallup.com/poll/245255/750-million-worldwide-migrate.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245255/750-million-worldwide-mi...

thegayretard69 4y ago
why the non-sequitur?
- hgfdhfdhfdgg 4y ago
  because US industry frowns on quiet quitting, wfh, has privatized healthcare, and low taxes compared to the West
  - watwut 4y ago
    US industry is as west as it gets, literally nothing us more West.

CrazyPyroLinux 4y ago

I'm not disagreeing that there's some potential hypocrisy or irony here - I just don't see any relation between the things in your list.

bergenty 4y ago
Of course there is. It’s in support of the narrative that people need overseers and that some people know what’s best for the world and others don’t. We live in a time where there are a couple of agendas that everyone is trying to push, it’s all deeply related