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He said that? Sounds like straight out of David Graeber. (I agree.)

by leobg 4y ago

wahnfrieden 4y ago
Graeber is the real influence for me too, but yes he did say that lmao Goes to show how little self-awareness matters relative to power held I guess https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1585804674170355712/photo/3 https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1585804674170355712/ph...
- leobg 4y ago
  Hm. Wouldn’t call that lack of self awareness. Thanks for the source. Quote: > Frankly, I hate doing mgmt stuff. I kinda don't think anyone should be the boss of anyone. But I love helping solve technical/product design problems. What I hear is that he doesn’t like playing the boss. And that he would very much prefer a company to work like interconnected computers in a network, with no hierarchy. He aspires to having engineering decisions solved on the basis of first principles, not on the basis of social hierarchy. The part where he deems management necessary, however, is making sure that all the vectors inside a company are aligned towards a single goal. Because he knows from experience that, without that, a company will die. so he does that out of necessity. But deep in his heart, he would really prefer to just do the work of an engineer. I mean, to me, that very much fits in with his INTJ personality type.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    Oh my wording was bad I did mean that he has self awareness, and that self awareness matters little compared with the power held There’s nothing necessary about subjecting people to boss-control and even if he knows that, it’s more favorable to him personally. It’s a myth that doesn’t fit the evidence that it’s the only way to productively structure society/orgs at scale
    - leobg 4y ago
      Hm. Not sure I understand. Can you elaborate? I remember Graeber making the point that some of the indigenous cultures of North America differed from us in that wealth did never mean power over other people. Whereas, in our society, many people seek wealth precisely as a means to that end. That’s what your quote reminded me of, and it seems to me that Elon Musk, even though he’s the richest person on earth, actually cares surprisingly little about power over people, and that that’s a thing many people don’t “get” about him.
      - wahnfrieden 4y ago
        sorry tapping out of this thread but the short of it is that I think people act to serve their own class interests and that that trumps whatever one might know about anthropology

He said that? Sounds like straight out of David Graeber. (I agree.)

by leobg 4y ago

He said that? Sounds like straight out of David Graeber. (I agree.)

Graeber is the real influence for me too, but yes he did say that lmao Goes to show how little self-awareness matters relative to power held I guess https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1585804674170355712/photo/3 https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1585804674170355712/ph...

leobg 4y ago
Hm. Wouldn’t call that lack of self awareness. Thanks for the source. Quote: > Frankly, I hate doing mgmt stuff. I kinda don't think anyone should be the boss of anyone. But I love helping solve technical/product design problems. What I hear is that he doesn’t like playing the boss. And that he would very much prefer a company to work like interconnected computers in a network, with no hierarchy. He aspires to having engineering decisions solved on the basis of first principles, not on the basis of social hierarchy. The part where he deems management necessary, however, is making sure that all the vectors inside a company are aligned towards a single goal. Because he knows from experience that, without that, a company will die. so he does that out of necessity. But deep in his heart, he would really prefer to just do the work of an engineer. I mean, to me, that very much fits in with his INTJ personality type.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  Oh my wording was bad I did mean that he has self awareness, and that self awareness matters little compared with the power held There’s nothing necessary about subjecting people to boss-control and even if he knows that, it’s more favorable to him personally. It’s a myth that doesn’t fit the evidence that it’s the only way to productively structure society/orgs at scale
  - leobg 4y ago
    Hm. Not sure I understand. Can you elaborate? I remember Graeber making the point that some of the indigenous cultures of North America differed from us in that wealth did never mean power over other people. Whereas, in our society, many people seek wealth precisely as a means to that end. That’s what your quote reminded me of, and it seems to me that Elon Musk, even though he’s the richest person on earth, actually cares surprisingly little about power over people, and that that’s a thing many people don’t “get” about him.
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      sorry tapping out of this thread but the short of it is that I think people act to serve their own class interests and that that trumps whatever one might know about anthropology