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Haha, you're so close to getting it. And yet so far.

by mandmandam 4y ago

bawolff 4y ago
Don't confuse people who disagree with you with people who don't understand you.
- mandmandam 4y ago
  Don't worry, I'm not. Not in this case anyway. I mean you're here saying that if lawyers are generally bad as a class then corporate strategists and corporate tax accountants would be too. ... As if that disproves the argument. ... Bruh. Capitalism is killing the planet, and lawyers, as a class, are helping them do it. Yes, some lawyers are fighting, but they're paid less. Because, again, of this particular form of crony unaccountable capitalism. This isn't all that controversial or complex. You seem caught in a weird loop somehow though, where if capitalism and all those jobs are bad, then your worldview is invalidated and that's just not possible.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    I mean in the sense that lawyers are a type of human, and some humans are evil, sure. What would happen if all the food-prep workers disappeared in a blink - probably the world would recover, because its pretty hard to dig for oil while dying of starvation. What would happen if all the lawyers disappeared? Probably things would get worse. Big bizz only hires lawyers to deal with opposing lawyers. If there were no lawyers they wouldn't have to bother hiring any. For that matter they wouldn't have to comply with any environmental regulation, even the insufficient ones. They wouldn't have to deal with critics, since they can just shoot them (what are you going to do if you don't like them arbitrarily murdering people? Call a lawyer? Oh wait there are none). This isn't a hypothetical. There really are failed states in the world that effectively do not have lawyers (As we know them). You can go there, and see how the environment is treated. I assure you, you won't like it. Blaming lawyers for the world's problems is like blaming the writer of the newspaper you read about the problems in for the problems.
    - mandmandam 4y ago
      I'm getting the impression that either you don't have any experience with lawyers, or your parents are lawyers and you think their way of life is normal. Lawyers lie for a living, and that inevitably fucks them up mentally. Over decades, over centuries of colonialist, capitalist apologetics, that has metastasized into an extremely sick culture. If you lie for a living too, you might see no issue with that. But it is an issue, whatever your opinion and whatever circumstances led you to form it.
      - bawolff 4y ago
        > Lawyers lie for a living, and that inevitably fucks them up mentally. Depending on circumstances, either literally a crime or something that might get them in trouble with their ethics board. Lawyers often present circumstances in a biased way in favour of their clients. But they get in trouble if they tell an out and out lie. You are imagining lawyers as monsters you can project all of the worlds sins on. It makes life simple so you dont have to think deeply about the world, but it doesn't match reality.

Haha, you're so close to getting it. And yet so far.

bawolff 4y ago

Don't confuse people who disagree with you with people who don't understand you.

mandmandam 4y ago
Don't worry, I'm not. Not in this case anyway. I mean you're here saying that if lawyers are generally bad as a class then corporate strategists and corporate tax accountants would be too. ... As if that disproves the argument. ... Bruh. Capitalism is killing the planet, and lawyers, as a class, are helping them do it. Yes, some lawyers are fighting, but they're paid less. Because, again, of this particular form of crony unaccountable capitalism. This isn't all that controversial or complex. You seem caught in a weird loop somehow though, where if capitalism and all those jobs are bad, then your worldview is invalidated and that's just not possible.
- bawolff 4y ago
  I mean in the sense that lawyers are a type of human, and some humans are evil, sure. What would happen if all the food-prep workers disappeared in a blink - probably the world would recover, because its pretty hard to dig for oil while dying of starvation. What would happen if all the lawyers disappeared? Probably things would get worse. Big bizz only hires lawyers to deal with opposing lawyers. If there were no lawyers they wouldn't have to bother hiring any. For that matter they wouldn't have to comply with any environmental regulation, even the insufficient ones. They wouldn't have to deal with critics, since they can just shoot them (what are you going to do if you don't like them arbitrarily murdering people? Call a lawyer? Oh wait there are none). This isn't a hypothetical. There really are failed states in the world that effectively do not have lawyers (As we know them). You can go there, and see how the environment is treated. I assure you, you won't like it. Blaming lawyers for the world's problems is like blaming the writer of the newspaper you read about the problems in for the problems.
  - mandmandam 4y ago
    I'm getting the impression that either you don't have any experience with lawyers, or your parents are lawyers and you think their way of life is normal. Lawyers lie for a living, and that inevitably fucks them up mentally. Over decades, over centuries of colonialist, capitalist apologetics, that has metastasized into an extremely sick culture. If you lie for a living too, you might see no issue with that. But it is an issue, whatever your opinion and whatever circumstances led you to form it.
    - bawolff 4y ago
      > Lawyers lie for a living, and that inevitably fucks them up mentally. Depending on circumstances, either literally a crime or something that might get them in trouble with their ethics board. Lawyers often present circumstances in a biased way in favour of their clients. But they get in trouble if they tell an out and out lie. You are imagining lawyers as monsters you can project all of the worlds sins on. It makes life simple so you dont have to think deeply about the world, but it doesn't match reality.