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"People hold views that other beings should be enslaved or exterminated, so what?" The kind of sentiment you're expressing often comes from people who are eith

"People hold views that other beings should be enslaved or exterminated, so what?" The kind of sentiment you're expressing often comes from people who are either ignorant of fascism / authoritarianism and how it affects societies, or are apathetic towards those outcomes. You must understand that there are people out there primarily driven by fear and hatred, that, once given positions of power, will use that power to denigrate or otherwise erode the humanity of people they simply don't like. It's not enough to just not be racist, you must be anti-racist. It's not enough to just not be fascist, you must be anti-fascist.

qull 4y ago
Thats a grade school level strawman. You may not be wrong but your argument is.
- boston_clone 4y ago
  could you share why you think that to be so? I felt that my example was a specific subset of “beliefs”, which is very much on-subject. Simply throwing out “logical fallacy!” when you think it occurs doesn't really drive the conversation forward.
vinyl7 4y ago
> You must understand that there are people out there primarily driven by fear and hatred, that, once given positions of power, will use that power to denigrate or otherwise erode the humanity of people they simply don't like. Sounds like both current-day US political parties, so we're not doing a very good job at preventing this.
- boston_clone 4y ago
  No, it doesn't, unless you're feigning stupidity. But in case you're not and actually attempting a point, let's review some current social issues and see if you can notice any trends: Climate change: the GOP more or less does not acknowledge this reality; former POTUS removed US from the Paris Climate Accords. Abortion / healthcare: attempts to overturn the Affordable Care Act have almost all come from GOP affiliates; abortion is not allowed even in cases of rape and incest for many GOP-led states. Attempts to reign in pharmaceutical costs have been countered by GOP representatives. LGBTQ+ rights: again we have GOP-led states that are not only banning gender-affirming care for transgender kids, but proposing statewide registries for these children. Additional efforts and talking points about overturning Obergefell v Hodges, as well as Loving v Virginia have already surfaced. Immigration: GOP representatives and appointees authored a policy of intentionally separating children from families in a disgusting attempt to deter lawful migration and asylum seekers. Earlier this year, GOP officials lied to legal immigrants and transported them across the country for a political stunt. Drug policy: no evidence supports the notion that increasing incarceration decreases drug use or recidivism. Democratic-led states were the first to make moves toward medicinal and recreational use of cannabis, massively offsetting the amount of people being unnecessarily jailed (which costs society in two ways: taxpayer money, and, if the charge is a felony offense, the individual can no longer vote). The "but BOTH SIDES..." arguments may work on reddit or 4chan, but this is HN! We're better than that! Hope this helps.
  - kbelder 4y ago
    Think about why this argument doesn't work. It has to do with symmetry.

qull 4y ago

Thats a grade school level strawman. You may not be wrong but your argument is.

boston_clone 4y ago
could you share why you think that to be so? I felt that my example was a specific subset of “beliefs”, which is very much on-subject. Simply throwing out “logical fallacy!” when you think it occurs doesn't really drive the conversation forward.

vinyl7 4y ago

> You must understand that there are people out there primarily driven by fear and hatred, that, once given positions of power, will use that power to denigrate or otherwise erode the humanity of people they simply don't like. Sounds like both current-day US political parties, so we're not doing a very good job at preventing this.

boston_clone 4y ago
No, it doesn't, unless you're feigning stupidity. But in case you're not and actually attempting a point, let's review some current social issues and see if you can notice any trends: Climate change: the GOP more or less does not acknowledge this reality; former POTUS removed US from the Paris Climate Accords. Abortion / healthcare: attempts to overturn the Affordable Care Act have almost all come from GOP affiliates; abortion is not allowed even in cases of rape and incest for many GOP-led states. Attempts to reign in pharmaceutical costs have been countered by GOP representatives. LGBTQ+ rights: again we have GOP-led states that are not only banning gender-affirming care for transgender kids, but proposing statewide registries for these children. Additional efforts and talking points about overturning Obergefell v Hodges, as well as Loving v Virginia have already surfaced. Immigration: GOP representatives and appointees authored a policy of intentionally separating children from families in a disgusting attempt to deter lawful migration and asylum seekers. Earlier this year, GOP officials lied to legal immigrants and transported them across the country for a political stunt. Drug policy: no evidence supports the notion that increasing incarceration decreases drug use or recidivism. Democratic-led states were the first to make moves toward medicinal and recreational use of cannabis, massively offsetting the amount of people being unnecessarily jailed (which costs society in two ways: taxpayer money, and, if the charge is a felony offense, the individual can no longer vote). The "but BOTH SIDES..." arguments may work on reddit or 4chan, but this is HN! We're better than that! Hope this helps.
- kbelder 4y ago
  Think about why this argument doesn't work. It has to do with symmetry.