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It feels like a bait-and-switch and the "heroin dealer" model to give something away for free just long enough that people become reliant on it, and then sudden

It feels like a bait-and-switch and the "heroin dealer" model to give something away for free just long enough that people become reliant on it, and then suddenly make it be paid.

chimeracoder 4y ago
> It feels like a bait-and-switch and the "heroin dealer" model to give something away for free just long enough that people become reliant on it, and then suddenly make it be paid. Heroku's free tier has been incapable of running a 24/7-accessible webserver for many years, nearly a decade[0]. At this point, if anyone is reliant on it, it's almost impressive that they've managed to get by for so long without either paying Heroku or bouncing off to another service. [0] if you give them a verified credit card, you get a few additional free hours per month, just barely enough to run a single webserver full-time on one dyno. At best, the free tier offering is... incredibly limited.
- creatonez 4y ago
  If you verify with a credit card, a single dyno can run for as many hours as you like -- it can perpetually serve HTTP requests for years and years -- but it will be automatically turned off every few hours, with some latency on the first request to boot it back up. I would say this kind of free tier is quite powerful. It even had free Redis and PostgreSQL. But it had some horrendous periods of downtime and bugs that affect the paying customers just as badly. So ironically the free Heroku experience in 2022 leads you to the conclusion that it's the worst service you could pay for, but the best service you could mooch off of (aside from fly.io and similar) -- which may be counterproductive for Heroku's marketing.
metadat 4y ago
It was given away for free for 10+ years. What does Heroku / Salesforce owe us?
- bnt 4y ago
  Apparently Heroku is a welfare state program and everyone is entitled to free shit.
arcturus17 4y ago
I think not even drug dealers give away their stuff for free, but if you know one that does do let me know!
- atdrummond 4y ago
  It is mainly a thing in open air markets like Kensington in Philly or SF’s Tenderloin.

It feels like a bait-and-switch and the "heroin dealer" model to give something away for free just long enough that people become reliant on it, and then suddenly make it be paid.

chimeracoder 4y ago

> It feels like a bait-and-switch and the "heroin dealer" model to give something away for free just long enough that people become reliant on it, and then suddenly make it be paid. Heroku's free tier has been incapable of running a 24/7-accessible webserver for many years, nearly a decade[0]. At this point, if anyone is reliant on it, it's almost impressive that they've managed to get by for so long without either paying Heroku or bouncing off to another service. [0] if you give them a verified credit card, you get a few additional free hours per month, just barely enough to run a single webserver full-time on one dyno. At best, the free tier offering is... incredibly limited.

creatonez 4y ago
If you verify with a credit card, a single dyno can run for as many hours as you like -- it can perpetually serve HTTP requests for years and years -- but it will be automatically turned off every few hours, with some latency on the first request to boot it back up. I would say this kind of free tier is quite powerful. It even had free Redis and PostgreSQL. But it had some horrendous periods of downtime and bugs that affect the paying customers just as badly. So ironically the free Heroku experience in 2022 leads you to the conclusion that it's the worst service you could pay for, but the best service you could mooch off of (aside from fly.io and similar) -- which may be counterproductive for Heroku's marketing.

metadat 4y ago

It was given away for free for 10+ years. What does Heroku / Salesforce owe us?

bnt 4y ago
Apparently Heroku is a welfare state program and everyone is entitled to free shit.

arcturus17 4y ago

I think not even drug dealers give away their stuff for free, but if you know one that does do let me know!

atdrummond 4y ago
It is mainly a thing in open air markets like Kensington in Philly or SF’s Tenderloin.