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This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powe

This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you think. Dont know what to do / how to start ? JUST START, do ANYTHING beside nothing. Do it for 6 months. Be disciplined. Of course its not for everybody, and I disagree with many things he says but the guy has definetely an aura and sometimes if you hear the right things at the right moment it can make a difference.. personally Ive literally lost 5 kgs in 6 weeks because of 1 video and ive not started beating women as a side effect so so far so good i guess^^

etrautmann 4y ago
Haven't watched those videos but I do thin, that's an important point. Motivation and interest comes from doing something, not the other way around. This applies at small and large scales for me. I get more motivated to climb if I go climbing a few times, rather than needing motivation to start going. Similarly, I got far more invested in my PhD work after having a few years in the problem space, rather than starting from some passion. Cal Newport writes about this fairly well.
ChildOfChaos 4y ago
What specifically helped you? Just the attitude you mentioned? Which is more just doing something and not having excuses etc... I'm feeling a little lost/confused/stuck/overwhelmed at the moment and nothing really makes sense to me.. in that context the advice would be what? To get offline, work hard and focus, sleep and fitness?
- davidguetta 4y ago
  The fact I realized I was finding excuses to myself all the time to watch videos late at night, not counting calories or doing sport every because it 'would be hard'. Turned out it was not THAT hard once I decided it wasn't somehow and the past 6 weeks have been great. I know that sounds weird but first basically the guy has a way of talking that's just .. 'motivating'. Secondly it feels like he's with you when he says stuff like "of course it's hard, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE !" and also reading the testimonials of his university on the net where it looks like a bunch of young guys just followed the advice and went kickboxing everyday felt ... relatable so It stung me in my pride to not do it since I see myself as quite ambitious ^^. Wouldn't see myself paying for his stuff though (yet?). For your case you'd need to tell more in what you are feeling overwhelmed. It could be all in your head or it could also be dealing with breakup, death of a relative and/or shitty wage and rent increase in the US at the same time for what I know ^^. Maybe just watch a few motiational videos (and also this long one which is super funny if you can take a step back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4isrrclZu0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4isrrclZu0). Also one book I'm reading recently that is really nice is "atomic habits" (and also 'rich dad poor dad'). If you have troubles getting girls I also have other materials but I'd def get banned if I post it here so give me a mail adress to send it
- j33zusjuice 4y ago
  I have no affiliation with this place, and I haven’t done the assessment, myself, but this is something I’ve been looking in to doing because I so often feel like I’m in the wrong line of work, and that I’m wasting my life chasing other people’s dreams. https://www.jocrf.org/testing/who-should-be-tested/ https://www.jocrf.org/testing/who-should-be-tested/ I’ve read really great things about this place on Reddit (and a couple of negative things, too). If you have the money for it, it could be good. Also if you have the money (I’m assuming you’re in the US, but I also don’t that other countries’ medical care covers this), see a therapist. You’ll likely have to go through a few before you find someone with whom you click, but a good therapist can help you work through those feelings. Motivational speakers are good at times, but their messages pose the risk of being taken too literally or too far, and being turned into a very unhealthy hyper-independence. This compounds your problems because not only are you whatever negative adjective for having problems in the first place, you’re now also a failure for being unable to fix the problems. Sometimes, we can’t solve our problems alone, and that’s ok. By all means, watch some motivational speakers on YT. I named CT Fletcher as someone I loved in another comment, I used to watch and listen to Tony Robbins all the time. It’s all good in moderation. But don’t believe that you’re all alone in any of your problems.
HorizonXP 4y ago
Jordan Peterson mostly did this for me, and I feel precisely the same way about his viewpoints. You have to have a critical mind to separate the wheat from the chaff.
- ChildOfChaos 4y ago
  Yes, I got into Peterson a few years back when there wasn't much politics around his work then I became more and more confused about what he was actually saying and now I just avoid it as it seems to be too political. I wish he'd stuck to psychology. His deplatforming from Twitter was interesting, because about a month before he had sworn of the platform and said he was only going to post for promotional material etc, he didn't stick to it, said something they weren't happy with and then was suspended. I feel his need for attention hurts his message quite a lot.
  - Viliam1234 4y ago
    This is probably a mistake many people do when they become famous. They cannot accept that after some time, people are moving to a different topic, abandoning them. Now they must insert themselves into the new topic in order to remain relevant. But unlike the old topic, where they had some impressive mastery, in the new topic they are about as knowledgeable as a random person on internet; they just repeat someone else's edgy opinions, and try to back them with their previous authority. When I hear Peterson talking about mythology, he seems unique and interesting. When I hear Peterson talking about... whatever is the current hot topic... it's not too different from what idiots around me are saying all day long.
    - ChildOfChaos 4y ago
      Yes exactly this. I have a problem with the fact that people see an 'expert' then want there opinion about everything or in the social media age, they give an opinion on everything, things way out of there expertise and often just makes you think they are dumb, but it seems a lot of people just want to follow someone, so they but these people on a pedestal and think that there views on things they know nothing about are somehow important, just because they had an interesting idea in a different field, a field they have been highly involved in for many years, rather than something they just randomly came up with on the spot.
okeuro49 4y ago
> This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. I've found Jordan Peterson to offer similar, minus the brainless misogyny. However when I talk about Peterson to a valued friend, there is a sense of distaste. But I can't pretend to not find what he talks about really interesting. I think he offers good advice to young men (and indeed women), however I think his advice particularly resonates with young men, as he doesn't subscribe to the view that they are by default part of a toxic patriarchy.
- dijit 4y ago
  The issue with Peterson is that anything outside of socioeconomics and psychology are drivel. He has two tendencies which make him frustrating: first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics. This can be very disingenuous, as you can infer many things from the same statistic. The second, and much more egregious crime, is that he’s a climate change denier and proposes appeasement towards Russia. His life advice is very good, and he talks about many interesting societal things, but when I see videos of him claiming himself to be a prophet: I am left with a sour taste.
  - heurisko 4y ago
    > first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics. I think you will have to give an example. > The second, and much more egregious crime, is that he’s a climate change denier and proposes appeasement towards Russia. Those are opinions, not crimes. And I don't believe he denies climate change, but rather many of the proposals designed to combat it are causing more harm than good, e.g. Germany unilaterally deciding to decarbonise whilst relying on Russian gas.
    - dijit 4y ago
      He said on Joe Rogan that the problem was that “climate means everything and you can’t model everything” - which is not an opinion, it’s just false: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/27/word-salad-of-nonsense-scientists-denounce-jordan-petersons-comments-on-climate-models https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/27/word-sal... Here’s his comments about appeasement (taken from his 51 minute documentary about it): https://youtube.com/shorts/cj2axyfmcoE?feature=share https://youtube.com/shorts/cj2axyfmcoE?feature=share The proceeding examples are crimes because they are untruths that will cost human lives. —- In this video he uses the technique: https://youtu.be/Qnzd5w2FSr4 https://youtu.be/Qnzd5w2FSr4 And as he says about Elliot Page: “this person is a role model and will be emulated, they have a responsibility” this applies to Peterson himself.
j33zusjuice 4y ago
CT Fletcher was a huge influence on me when I was lifting (I hurt my back and can’t DL or squat anymore, so I just don’t workout), and it went well beyond the gym. When I started trying to break into a real IT role (I was doing POS help desk at the time), I’d wake up every day at 4:30 to watch videos about Linux administration. In three months, I went through about eighty-hours of Linux Academy training (from their intro to Linux course through RHCE, and a chunk of the LFCE). Three months after that, I got my first Jr SysAdmin role. My point is that if you can take the positive messaging and leave the nonsense behind, it doesn’t really matter whose videos are motivating you. Not in my opinion, anyway. CT’s objectively wrong about almost all of his lifting theories, but he’s right about one thing: it’s still your muthafuckin’ set. He’s amazing, his energy is so inspiring, and I’ve always loved him, even though I think he’s totally wrong about lifting practices (which used to matter a great deal to me). If some dude talking gets you up and moving, good. Ideally, you’ll move beyond that person and stop helping an asshole get or stay rich (if he’s really a misogynist, he’s an asshole, idk who the guy is to pass judgement, myself), but if he’s helping you get your life together while you need it, do what you gotta do.
- sshine 4y ago
  > I hurt my back and can’t DL or squat anymore, so I just don’t workout This is not true. I’ve has DL and CrossFit injuries hold me from training for years. And I’ve got back and am stronger than ever. I know people who broke their backs who are deadlifting. You have to tell your body that what got it in trouble is not blacklisted and can actually be good for you.
Mezzie 4y ago
It's weird that the dudes who go all in on preaching the self-help/motivation circuit do drift into misogyny eventually. I think it's a marketing thing: It's self-help but for MEN because self-help is really feminized for whatever reason and tapping into dating resentment is such an easy way to get/retain an audience.
- Art9681 4y ago
  My theory is that a lot of the "empowerment" philosophy is not very compatible with "dating and relationships". Most of the advice is "take time for yourself" and from my experience "time alone" is one of the last things a potential partner is willing to give you. Rightfully so? But I can see how people, regardless of gender, that are very self-sufficient and occupy their time with hobbies they enjoy would eventally sour on failed relationships due to the time investment required that they were unwilling to give. Finding the correct balance remains a mystery.
- davidguetta 4y ago
  The reason is that if you wanna be a player, being somewhat misogynyistic is a mindset / attitude that works well in practice. A large bunch of girls (kinda sadly) respond well to that even though that doesnt help to build strong relationships or meeting high quality women.
icu 4y ago
What's for you won't pass you. Maybe you just needed that message, at that time, in that way. That said, I'm glad you're able to identify and parse out the less positive aspects of his perspective. If you're looking for a similar no nonsense, but without the more controversial and negative aspects I recommend looking into David Goggins.
solardev 4y ago
I don't know who Andrew Tate is (some sort of conservative political commentator, I take it? no thanks...), but kickboxing hugely improved my life for the better. And for what it's worth, some of the best fighters in my class were women. They don't have the size and brute force advantage of men, and had to hold their own with skill, agility, and relentless training. They were also seemingly much healthier mentally/emotionally. Fitness is a necessary (but maybe not sufficient) component of a healthy life. It does not replace meaningful relationships or good emotional skills, but it's a great starting place for sure! Especially for techie types that don't get out much
andrei_says_ 4y ago
Glad you’ve not started beating women (I imagine there are zero recommendations for that in his videos) and am glad that you got pumped to start things. Sometimes all you need is a push or a kick in the butt to get in motion. Please just keep in mind that many people “feel bad” for reasons beyond their control including trauma, depression and more - and need different kind of help.

etrautmann 4y ago

Haven't watched those videos but I do thin, that's an important point. Motivation and interest comes from doing something, not the other way around. This applies at small and large scales for me. I get more motivated to climb if I go climbing a few times, rather than needing motivation to start going. Similarly, I got far more invested in my PhD work after having a few years in the problem space, rather than starting from some passion. Cal Newport writes about this fairly well.

ChildOfChaos 4y ago

What specifically helped you? Just the attitude you mentioned? Which is more just doing something and not having excuses etc... I'm feeling a little lost/confused/stuck/overwhelmed at the moment and nothing really makes sense to me.. in that context the advice would be what? To get offline, work hard and focus, sleep and fitness?

davidguetta 4y ago
The fact I realized I was finding excuses to myself all the time to watch videos late at night, not counting calories or doing sport every because it 'would be hard'. Turned out it was not THAT hard once I decided it wasn't somehow and the past 6 weeks have been great. I know that sounds weird but first basically the guy has a way of talking that's just .. 'motivating'. Secondly it feels like he's with you when he says stuff like "of course it's hard, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE !" and also reading the testimonials of his university on the net where it looks like a bunch of young guys just followed the advice and went kickboxing everyday felt ... relatable so It stung me in my pride to not do it since I see myself as quite ambitious ^^. Wouldn't see myself paying for his stuff though (yet?). For your case you'd need to tell more in what you are feeling overwhelmed. It could be all in your head or it could also be dealing with breakup, death of a relative and/or shitty wage and rent increase in the US at the same time for what I know ^^. Maybe just watch a few motiational videos (and also this long one which is super funny if you can take a step back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4isrrclZu0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4isrrclZu0). Also one book I'm reading recently that is really nice is "atomic habits" (and also 'rich dad poor dad'). If you have troubles getting girls I also have other materials but I'd def get banned if I post it here so give me a mail adress to send it
j33zusjuice 4y ago
I have no affiliation with this place, and I haven’t done the assessment, myself, but this is something I’ve been looking in to doing because I so often feel like I’m in the wrong line of work, and that I’m wasting my life chasing other people’s dreams. https://www.jocrf.org/testing/who-should-be-tested/ https://www.jocrf.org/testing/who-should-be-tested/ I’ve read really great things about this place on Reddit (and a couple of negative things, too). If you have the money for it, it could be good. Also if you have the money (I’m assuming you’re in the US, but I also don’t that other countries’ medical care covers this), see a therapist. You’ll likely have to go through a few before you find someone with whom you click, but a good therapist can help you work through those feelings. Motivational speakers are good at times, but their messages pose the risk of being taken too literally or too far, and being turned into a very unhealthy hyper-independence. This compounds your problems because not only are you whatever negative adjective for having problems in the first place, you’re now also a failure for being unable to fix the problems. Sometimes, we can’t solve our problems alone, and that’s ok. By all means, watch some motivational speakers on YT. I named CT Fletcher as someone I loved in another comment, I used to watch and listen to Tony Robbins all the time. It’s all good in moderation. But don’t believe that you’re all alone in any of your problems.

HorizonXP 4y ago

Jordan Peterson mostly did this for me, and I feel precisely the same way about his viewpoints. You have to have a critical mind to separate the wheat from the chaff.

ChildOfChaos 4y ago
Yes, I got into Peterson a few years back when there wasn't much politics around his work then I became more and more confused about what he was actually saying and now I just avoid it as it seems to be too political. I wish he'd stuck to psychology. His deplatforming from Twitter was interesting, because about a month before he had sworn of the platform and said he was only going to post for promotional material etc, he didn't stick to it, said something they weren't happy with and then was suspended. I feel his need for attention hurts his message quite a lot.
- Viliam1234 4y ago
  This is probably a mistake many people do when they become famous. They cannot accept that after some time, people are moving to a different topic, abandoning them. Now they must insert themselves into the new topic in order to remain relevant. But unlike the old topic, where they had some impressive mastery, in the new topic they are about as knowledgeable as a random person on internet; they just repeat someone else's edgy opinions, and try to back them with their previous authority. When I hear Peterson talking about mythology, he seems unique and interesting. When I hear Peterson talking about... whatever is the current hot topic... it's not too different from what idiots around me are saying all day long.
  - ChildOfChaos 4y ago
    Yes exactly this. I have a problem with the fact that people see an 'expert' then want there opinion about everything or in the social media age, they give an opinion on everything, things way out of there expertise and often just makes you think they are dumb, but it seems a lot of people just want to follow someone, so they but these people on a pedestal and think that there views on things they know nothing about are somehow important, just because they had an interesting idea in a different field, a field they have been highly involved in for many years, rather than something they just randomly came up with on the spot.

okeuro49 4y ago

> This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. I've found Jordan Peterson to offer similar, minus the brainless misogyny. However when I talk about Peterson to a valued friend, there is a sense of distaste. But I can't pretend to not find what he talks about really interesting. I think he offers good advice to young men (and indeed women), however I think his advice particularly resonates with young men, as he doesn't subscribe to the view that they are by default part of a toxic patriarchy.

dijit 4y ago
The issue with Peterson is that anything outside of socioeconomics and psychology are drivel. He has two tendencies which make him frustrating: first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics. This can be very disingenuous, as you can infer many things from the same statistic. The second, and much more egregious crime, is that he’s a climate change denier and proposes appeasement towards Russia. His life advice is very good, and he talks about many interesting societal things, but when I see videos of him claiming himself to be a prophet: I am left with a sour taste.
- heurisko 4y ago
  > first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics. I think you will have to give an example. > The second, and much more egregious crime, is that he’s a climate change denier and proposes appeasement towards Russia. Those are opinions, not crimes. And I don't believe he denies climate change, but rather many of the proposals designed to combat it are causing more harm than good, e.g. Germany unilaterally deciding to decarbonise whilst relying on Russian gas.
  - dijit 4y ago
    He said on Joe Rogan that the problem was that “climate means everything and you can’t model everything” - which is not an opinion, it’s just false: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/27/word-salad-of-nonsense-scientists-denounce-jordan-petersons-comments-on-climate-models https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/27/word-sal... Here’s his comments about appeasement (taken from his 51 minute documentary about it): https://youtube.com/shorts/cj2axyfmcoE?feature=share https://youtube.com/shorts/cj2axyfmcoE?feature=share The proceeding examples are crimes because they are untruths that will cost human lives. —- In this video he uses the technique: https://youtu.be/Qnzd5w2FSr4 https://youtu.be/Qnzd5w2FSr4 And as he says about Elliot Page: “this person is a role model and will be emulated, they have a responsibility” this applies to Peterson himself.

j33zusjuice 4y ago

CT Fletcher was a huge influence on me when I was lifting (I hurt my back and can’t DL or squat anymore, so I just don’t workout), and it went well beyond the gym. When I started trying to break into a real IT role (I was doing POS help desk at the time), I’d wake up every day at 4:30 to watch videos about Linux administration. In three months, I went through about eighty-hours of Linux Academy training (from their intro to Linux course through RHCE, and a chunk of the LFCE). Three months after that, I got my first Jr SysAdmin role. My point is that if you can take the positive messaging and leave the nonsense behind, it doesn’t really matter whose videos are motivating you. Not in my opinion, anyway. CT’s objectively wrong about almost all of his lifting theories, but he’s right about one thing: it’s still your muthafuckin’ set. He’s amazing, his energy is so inspiring, and I’ve always loved him, even though I think he’s totally wrong about lifting practices (which used to matter a great deal to me). If some dude talking gets you up and moving, good. Ideally, you’ll move beyond that person and stop helping an asshole get or stay rich (if he’s really a misogynist, he’s an asshole, idk who the guy is to pass judgement, myself), but if he’s helping you get your life together while you need it, do what you gotta do.

sshine 4y ago
> I hurt my back and can’t DL or squat anymore, so I just don’t workout This is not true. I’ve has DL and CrossFit injuries hold me from training for years. And I’ve got back and am stronger than ever. I know people who broke their backs who are deadlifting. You have to tell your body that what got it in trouble is not blacklisted and can actually be good for you.

Mezzie 4y ago

It's weird that the dudes who go all in on preaching the self-help/motivation circuit do drift into misogyny eventually. I think it's a marketing thing: It's self-help but for MEN because self-help is really feminized for whatever reason and tapping into dating resentment is such an easy way to get/retain an audience.

Art9681 4y ago
My theory is that a lot of the "empowerment" philosophy is not very compatible with "dating and relationships". Most of the advice is "take time for yourself" and from my experience "time alone" is one of the last things a potential partner is willing to give you. Rightfully so? But I can see how people, regardless of gender, that are very self-sufficient and occupy their time with hobbies they enjoy would eventally sour on failed relationships due to the time investment required that they were unwilling to give. Finding the correct balance remains a mystery.
davidguetta 4y ago
The reason is that if you wanna be a player, being somewhat misogynyistic is a mindset / attitude that works well in practice. A large bunch of girls (kinda sadly) respond well to that even though that doesnt help to build strong relationships or meeting high quality women.

icu 4y ago

What's for you won't pass you. Maybe you just needed that message, at that time, in that way. That said, I'm glad you're able to identify and parse out the less positive aspects of his perspective. If you're looking for a similar no nonsense, but without the more controversial and negative aspects I recommend looking into David Goggins.

solardev 4y ago

I don't know who Andrew Tate is (some sort of conservative political commentator, I take it? no thanks...), but kickboxing hugely improved my life for the better. And for what it's worth, some of the best fighters in my class were women. They don't have the size and brute force advantage of men, and had to hold their own with skill, agility, and relentless training. They were also seemingly much healthier mentally/emotionally. Fitness is a necessary (but maybe not sufficient) component of a healthy life. It does not replace meaningful relationships or good emotional skills, but it's a great starting place for sure! Especially for techie types that don't get out much

andrei_says_ 4y ago

Glad you’ve not started beating women (I imagine there are zero recommendations for that in his videos) and am glad that you got pumped to start things. Sometimes all you need is a push or a kick in the butt to get in motion. Please just keep in mind that many people “feel bad” for reasons beyond their control including trauma, depression and more - and need different kind of help.