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You don't think people should be arrested for hate speech? If someone says "we need to kill all the Jews", that's fine? Police shouldn't at least investigate?

superkuh 4y ago
Threats of violence are a different thing than "hate speech".
- anonymousab 4y ago
  They are a different level of hate speech. As the poster up above said, they're "simply further along the same spectrum" of hate speech.
  - superkuh 4y ago
    No. Threats of violence are against the law. That is significantly different. Saying offensive things about protected classes (hate speech) is not against the law (in the USA). But we (apparently) need to ask ourselves why this distinction exists. ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_Stat... Hate speech, "further up the spectrum" is not against the law because it doesn't violate the rights or the volition of anyone nor defraud them or hurt them. It's just stupid and offensive. In some context enough to be fighting words, but not in all contexts. Why? Because things that are against the law invoke the use of violent force by the government. Invoking violent force to deprive a person of their volition is harm done far beyond some offensive speech. It is disproportionate and makes things worse. That's why things that are just speech are protected (from government use of force) in the USA by our constitution. Without this protection you end up with governments slowly drifting over to behave like the Saudis. It may take a while, but every nation state will get there without laws to prevent it.
fareesh 4y ago
It depends on the context. It is written in your comment and I would not want you to be arrested nor investigated. There is a war between Ukraine and Russia. I am sure there are a large number of angry Ukranians who have made similar unthinking cruel statements about Russians in exasperation and anger. I don't think they are a danger to society. There has been an ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine for many years. Some bystander may have been killed by the IDF and their families, in their grief, in a moment of unthinking weakness, said something bigoted. I don't think they are a danger to society. Incitement to violence is a crime and has some criteria to be satisfied before it becomes criminal. In those cases the words ought to be treated as instructions, and so the act of engaging in a conspiracy to harm someone is the crime, not the words themselves.

superkuh 4y ago

Threats of violence are a different thing than "hate speech".

anonymousab 4y ago
They are a different level of hate speech. As the poster up above said, they're "simply further along the same spectrum" of hate speech.
- superkuh 4y ago
  No. Threats of violence are against the law. That is significantly different. Saying offensive things about protected classes (hate speech) is not against the law (in the USA). But we (apparently) need to ask ourselves why this distinction exists. ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_Stat... Hate speech, "further up the spectrum" is not against the law because it doesn't violate the rights or the volition of anyone nor defraud them or hurt them. It's just stupid and offensive. In some context enough to be fighting words, but not in all contexts. Why? Because things that are against the law invoke the use of violent force by the government. Invoking violent force to deprive a person of their volition is harm done far beyond some offensive speech. It is disproportionate and makes things worse. That's why things that are just speech are protected (from government use of force) in the USA by our constitution. Without this protection you end up with governments slowly drifting over to behave like the Saudis. It may take a while, but every nation state will get there without laws to prevent it.

fareesh 4y ago

It depends on the context. It is written in your comment and I would not want you to be arrested nor investigated. There is a war between Ukraine and Russia. I am sure there are a large number of angry Ukranians who have made similar unthinking cruel statements about Russians in exasperation and anger. I don't think they are a danger to society. There has been an ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine for many years. Some bystander may have been killed by the IDF and their families, in their grief, in a moment of unthinking weakness, said something bigoted. I don't think they are a danger to society. Incitement to violence is a crime and has some criteria to be satisfied before it becomes criminal. In those cases the words ought to be treated as instructions, and so the act of engaging in a conspiracy to harm someone is the crime, not the words themselves.