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“Little is known about her other than that she criticised Saudi leaders.” Just wow

by bwb 4y ago

mtgx 4y ago
A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
And this is why freedom of speech has to be protected at all times, because even with minute changes over time, we could eventually reach the same end state as SA in terms of basic human rights.
- dahfizz 4y ago
  The UK is nearly there. You can go to prison for social media posts the government finds "offensive".
  - PenguinCoder 4y ago
    And who decides what is offensive? The same party responsible for sending you to jail for it? Dystopian.
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    Didn’t class-traitors arrest people who were against the monarchy during the mourning days of the last queen’s death?
    - a1369209993 4y ago
      No, because there's no legitimate expectation of loyalty to a 'class', so one can't be a traitor to it (see also "race-traitors" etc). Armed thugs arrested people who were against the monarchy. (Well, I guess I should say "allegedly", since I haven't personally confirmed it, but I don't see any particular cause for scepticism.)
    - tim333 4y ago
      I'm not sure what "class-traitors" would be but the police arrested a few protestors and then released them again. Eg. here https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/16/europe/anti-monarchy-protests-police-intl-gbr/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/16/europe/anti-monarchy-prot...
  - gambiting 4y ago
    While the actions of the UK government are worrying, I think saying that UK is "nearly there"(with "there" implying Saudi Arabia) is very disingenuous. No one is going to prison for criticising the PM online, nor is there any intention to do that.
    - club_tropical 4y ago
      Different societies have different political formulae and therefore different sensitive points. In KSA, that’s the monarchy, in UK, that is the assumption of human equality (which is the assumption undergirding human rights and all biology-blind policies). You can already lose your job and your money for speaking out against egalitarianism in the UK, and slowly you will be losing freedom as well.
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it_citizen 4y ago
Remember Raif Badawi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raif_Badawi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raif_Badawi 10 years of jail + 1000 lashes for "insulting Islam through electronic channels"

“Little is known about her other than that she criticised Saudi leaders.” Just wow

by bwb 4y ago

“Little is known about her other than that she criticised Saudi leaders.” Just wow

mtgx 4y ago

A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago

And this is why freedom of speech has to be protected at all times, because even with minute changes over time, we could eventually reach the same end state as SA in terms of basic human rights.

dahfizz 4y ago
The UK is nearly there. You can go to prison for social media posts the government finds "offensive".
- PenguinCoder 4y ago
  And who decides what is offensive? The same party responsible for sending you to jail for it? Dystopian.
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  Didn’t class-traitors arrest people who were against the monarchy during the mourning days of the last queen’s death?
  - a1369209993 4y ago
    No, because there's no legitimate expectation of loyalty to a 'class', so one can't be a traitor to it (see also "race-traitors" etc). Armed thugs arrested people who were against the monarchy. (Well, I guess I should say "allegedly", since I haven't personally confirmed it, but I don't see any particular cause for scepticism.)
  - tim333 4y ago
    I'm not sure what "class-traitors" would be but the police arrested a few protestors and then released them again. Eg. here https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/16/europe/anti-monarchy-protests-police-intl-gbr/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/16/europe/anti-monarchy-prot...
- gambiting 4y ago
  While the actions of the UK government are worrying, I think saying that UK is "nearly there"(with "there" implying Saudi Arabia) is very disingenuous. No one is going to prison for criticising the PM online, nor is there any intention to do that.
  - club_tropical 4y ago
    Different societies have different political formulae and therefore different sensitive points. In KSA, that’s the monarchy, in UK, that is the assumption of human equality (which is the assumption undergirding human rights and all biology-blind policies). You can already lose your job and your money for speaking out against egalitarianism in the UK, and slowly you will be losing freedom as well.
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it_citizen 4y ago

Remember Raif Badawi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raif_Badawi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raif_Badawi 10 years of jail + 1000 lashes for "insulting Islam through electronic channels"