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> No citizen ever voted for any of the commissioners that come up with these regulations. So what? Nobody ever voted for any US president too, if that's your

> No citizen ever voted for any of the commissioners that come up with these regulations. So what? Nobody ever voted for any US president too, if that's your concern. Besides, commission is formed by delegates one for each country and they are not bound to the political institutions of their country exactly to ensure independence from local politics. They represent the interest of the EU. Approval of legislation proposals presented by the commission is the duty of the EU Parliament, which is made by professional politicians elected in each EU country in proportion of the population. Each approved legislation has to be then ratified by the single Parliaments of each country, in accordance with their laws. There is absolutely no lack of representation in EU, believe me! Don't be that person, learn how the institutions of EU work before writing a random populist good-for-nothing comment (which seems to be a very popular sport Europeans like to play here on HN when talking about EU, for reasons I don't fully comprehend).

cbeach 4y ago
I have observed the EU machinations in detail while my country decided whether to stay or leave the bloc. And I watched the Copyright Directive vote in the EP - basically the Commission just repeatedly rammed the bad legislation through Parliament until they got the “yes” vote they were looking for. When massive (historically large) public petitions emerged against one of the articles of the legislation, the EU literally just changed its article number (to “rebrand” and dissociate the same legislation from the backlash) and then they pushed it back through Parliament again
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > I have observed the EU machinations in detail while my country decided whether to stay or leave the bloc. meaning? In what way what you observed is relevant to the discussion? How can we be sure that you understood what you observed? because you say so? > And I watched the Copyright Directive vote in the EP - basically the Commission just repeatedly rammed the bad legislation through Parliament until they got the “yes” Boris Johnson, is that you? MEPs are elected by the people of EU (up until not long ago also by the Country that left, and they associated by political family, not by Country of provenance) So now you don't like that either? How did the commission obtained this "yes" if the elected representatives where not in favour of it? please explain. You are not making any sense. > When massive (historically large) public petitions emerged against please, provide evidence of these large massive (meaning hundreds of thousands of petitioners at least, there are 450 million people in EU) petitions (plural) against it. > the EU literally just changed its article number (to “rebrand” and dissociate the same legislation from the backlash) Are you saying that MEPs are all stupid and can't recognize the same article by just swapping its number? An who rebranded it? The EU at large? the 28 countries? (I mean 29, UK was still in, but I guess they are not responsible of what EU has done while they were a member, am I right?) the Parliament? the commission? who exactly? An why? Whose interests this gray entity was serving exactly?

cbeach 4y ago

I have observed the EU machinations in detail while my country decided whether to stay or leave the bloc. And I watched the Copyright Directive vote in the EP - basically the Commission just repeatedly rammed the bad legislation through Parliament until they got the “yes” vote they were looking for. When massive (historically large) public petitions emerged against one of the articles of the legislation, the EU literally just changed its article number (to “rebrand” and dissociate the same legislation from the backlash) and then they pushed it back through Parliament again

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> I have observed the EU machinations in detail while my country decided whether to stay or leave the bloc. meaning? In what way what you observed is relevant to the discussion? How can we be sure that you understood what you observed? because you say so? > And I watched the Copyright Directive vote in the EP - basically the Commission just repeatedly rammed the bad legislation through Parliament until they got the “yes” Boris Johnson, is that you? MEPs are elected by the people of EU (up until not long ago also by the Country that left, and they associated by political family, not by Country of provenance) So now you don't like that either? How did the commission obtained this "yes" if the elected representatives where not in favour of it? please explain. You are not making any sense. > When massive (historically large) public petitions emerged against please, provide evidence of these large massive (meaning hundreds of thousands of petitioners at least, there are 450 million people in EU) petitions (plural) against it. > the EU literally just changed its article number (to “rebrand” and dissociate the same legislation from the backlash) Are you saying that MEPs are all stupid and can't recognize the same article by just swapping its number? An who rebranded it? The EU at large? the 28 countries? (I mean 29, UK was still in, but I guess they are not responsible of what EU has done while they were a member, am I right?) the Parliament? the commission? who exactly? An why? Whose interests this gray entity was serving exactly?