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Dozens in cardiac arrest in Halloween crowds in South Korea

67 points by IdealeZahlen 4y ago

zython 4y ago
Other source says: (ap) "South Korean officials say dozens of people were in cardiac arrest after being crushed by a large crowd pushing forward on a narrow street during Halloween festivities in the capital Seoul."
- monkeynotes 4y ago
  Thank you, the BBC left that question begging. I was thinking maybe it was some kind of neurotoxin attack, mass hysteria, or something as yet unknown.
  - biggerChris 4y ago
  - scoot 4y ago
    Except that it didn't: "Dozens of people are reported to be in cardiac arrest after a reported crush among crowds in a popular nightlife area of South Korea's capital, Seoul." (Not that that's what "begging the question" means anyway, but let's not go there! :)
sva_ 4y ago
Video footage https://nitter.net/theseoulite/status/1586377215457230848#m https://nitter.net/theseoulite/status/1586377215457230848#m
- weird-eye-issue 4y ago
  Warning: There are potentially dozens of dead bodies visible in this video
- Shared404 4y ago
  Thank you for linking to Nitter, it's much appreciated.
- serf 4y ago
  surreal to see chest compressions occurring in such quantity in a single scene.
marsven_422 4y ago
arunc 4y ago
What an insane, click bait title from BBC! No mention of stampede!
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  If you've ever watched BBC in 1980s, the contrast couldn't be more stark. An amazing institution destroyed by modern journos.
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    Perhaps the reason is not modern journalists but click baits, incentive to make money, desire for outrage, rampant populism from politicians and so on.
    - aaomidi 4y ago
      Also bbc wasn’t actually ever good. People just have more access to information and they’re realizing what a shit show the “good” news sources are. Not that the more information is always right or better. It’s just more points of observation.
    - deleted 4y ago
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- chrisseaton 4y ago
  They probably couldn’t confirm it was a stampede.
- HPsquared 4y ago
  It's in the first sentence though, described as a crush.
- 1-6 4y ago
  It’s still a developing situation but a famous celebrity could be involved in why so many were crowded together.
- okasaki 4y ago
yellow_lead 4y ago
Crowds can be extremely dangerous
- monkeynotes 4y ago
  Whenever I am in a big crowd I have an exit plan, if my exit options diminish to one or two options I get out. I've been in a crush before, it's terrifying, especially being 5'3".
  - kodah 4y ago
    I go to a pretty large festival. My partner and I talk about a plan to exit for every set we go to and we generally go to the same location in each crowd.
  - downvotetruth 4y ago
    Incident seems a bit disperse for a crush? Usually would be a choke point like a door instead bodies on the road & the mention of '81 reports of "shortness of breath"'. Edit: "local media reports earlier said the crush happened after a large number of people rushed to a bar after hearing a celebrity was visiting." https://sg.news.yahoo.com/south-korea-100-injured-people-155934781.html https://sg.news.yahoo.com/south-korea-100-injured-people-155...
    - kodah 4y ago
      They happen suddenly, so even if you saw a large crowd moving you might not know what you're looking at. Basically the crowd compacts because people are trying to move at all different directions on the exiting side edge so a massive slowdown occurs. Meanwhile, the farthest edge of the crowd or in a sufficiently large crowd the center mass acts as a force that condenses everything between it and the edge. There are ways to mitigate this, like having multiple exiting edges and spacing out sets so people don't feel like they're in a hurry or knowing what sets lots of people are going to want to get to and spacing those out.
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rippercushions 4y ago
Is "cardiac arrest" in Korea code for "dead", the way it is in Japan? There people can only legally be declared dead at hospitals, so people are reported to be "in cardiac arrest" even if they've been (say) decapitated.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  Huh that’s fascinating. In Canada there’s a small list of cases where paramedics can declare someone dead. Decapitation is one of them.
  - Traubenfuchs 4y ago
    In Austria we call it "conditions incompatible with life".
  - dontbenebby 4y ago
  - oehtXRwMkIs 4y ago
    In CA (and probably elsewhere) the list usually also contains incineration, decomposition, rigor mortis, and livor mortis. And depending on the county the list can also include other signs that are a bit more nuanced. Such as apneic + pulseless + DNR. Or submerged for over an hour.
  - Yizahi 4y ago
    Aka "rapid unscheduled disassembly"
- kbumsik 4y ago
  I am Korean and we are getting "dead confirmed" number separately now, reported by hospitals. So yes, "cardiac arrest" is reported from the accident site and it is unlikely that they are going to survive. I wonder how it is different in other countries.
  - bkjelden 4y ago
skaushik92 4y ago
There’s something to be said for the media alerting everyone in their localities of potential Halloween threats. Every time the media alert us of some new threat (e.g rainbow fentanyl) and it’s a false alarm, people ultimately experience a sort of cry-wolf effect and this results in kids experiencing the negative consequences. The media ultimately aren’t incentivized properly to reserve these reports to account for these transitive impacts, and as long as we’re consuming these channels for free they end up cashing in on our fears and showing us these reports to make a quick buck. Spooky in its own way I guess.
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- redanddead 4y ago
  Yeah just this morning I saw in bold on my newsfeed: "URGENT RECALL" for some chocolate bars from costco or whatever, and this is days before Halloween. It was a small quality-control/expiry date recall for adult snacks. I don't see this kind of behavior ending well for anyone involved.
superkuh 4y ago
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- chrononaut 4y ago
  > This halloween is going to be the largest distributed super spreader event in history. What's different about this Halloween than any other global or regional holiday with its associated festivals?
aaron695 4y ago
89vision 4y ago
reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
- goldenkey 4y ago
  What a disastrous rabbit hole.. It seems like the switch in police command led to lack of proper crowd control, and with hot spots, led to the crushing.
barbazoo 4y ago
From the guidelines > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
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67 points by IdealeZahlen 4y ago

Other source says: (ap) "South Korean officials say dozens of people were in cardiac arrest after being crushed by a large crowd pushing forward on a narrow street during Halloween festivities in the capital Seoul."

monkeynotes 4y ago
Thank you, the BBC left that question begging. I was thinking maybe it was some kind of neurotoxin attack, mass hysteria, or something as yet unknown.
- biggerChris 4y ago
- scoot 4y ago
  Except that it didn't: "Dozens of people are reported to be in cardiac arrest after a reported crush among crowds in a popular nightlife area of South Korea's capital, Seoul." (Not that that's what "begging the question" means anyway, but let's not go there! :)

sva_ 4y ago

Video footage https://nitter.net/theseoulite/status/1586377215457230848#m https://nitter.net/theseoulite/status/1586377215457230848#m

weird-eye-issue 4y ago
Warning: There are potentially dozens of dead bodies visible in this video
Shared404 4y ago
Thank you for linking to Nitter, it's much appreciated.
serf 4y ago
surreal to see chest compressions occurring in such quantity in a single scene.

marsven_422 4y ago

arunc 4y ago

What an insane, click bait title from BBC! No mention of stampede!

systemvoltage 4y ago
If you've ever watched BBC in 1980s, the contrast couldn't be more stark. An amazing institution destroyed by modern journos.
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  Perhaps the reason is not modern journalists but click baits, incentive to make money, desire for outrage, rampant populism from politicians and so on.
  - aaomidi 4y ago
    Also bbc wasn’t actually ever good. People just have more access to information and they’re realizing what a shit show the “good” news sources are. Not that the more information is always right or better. It’s just more points of observation.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
chrisseaton 4y ago
They probably couldn’t confirm it was a stampede.
HPsquared 4y ago
It's in the first sentence though, described as a crush.
1-6 4y ago
It’s still a developing situation but a famous celebrity could be involved in why so many were crowded together.
okasaki 4y ago

yellow_lead 4y ago

Crowds can be extremely dangerous

monkeynotes 4y ago
Whenever I am in a big crowd I have an exit plan, if my exit options diminish to one or two options I get out. I've been in a crush before, it's terrifying, especially being 5'3".
- kodah 4y ago
  I go to a pretty large festival. My partner and I talk about a plan to exit for every set we go to and we generally go to the same location in each crowd.
- downvotetruth 4y ago
  Incident seems a bit disperse for a crush? Usually would be a choke point like a door instead bodies on the road & the mention of '81 reports of "shortness of breath"'. Edit: "local media reports earlier said the crush happened after a large number of people rushed to a bar after hearing a celebrity was visiting." https://sg.news.yahoo.com/south-korea-100-injured-people-155934781.html https://sg.news.yahoo.com/south-korea-100-injured-people-155...
  - kodah 4y ago
    They happen suddenly, so even if you saw a large crowd moving you might not know what you're looking at. Basically the crowd compacts because people are trying to move at all different directions on the exiting side edge so a massive slowdown occurs. Meanwhile, the farthest edge of the crowd or in a sufficiently large crowd the center mass acts as a force that condenses everything between it and the edge. There are ways to mitigate this, like having multiple exiting edges and spacing out sets so people don't feel like they're in a hurry or knowing what sets lots of people are going to want to get to and spacing those out.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

rippercushions 4y ago

Is "cardiac arrest" in Korea code for "dead", the way it is in Japan? There people can only legally be declared dead at hospitals, so people are reported to be "in cardiac arrest" even if they've been (say) decapitated.

Waterluvian 4y ago
Huh that’s fascinating. In Canada there’s a small list of cases where paramedics can declare someone dead. Decapitation is one of them.
- Traubenfuchs 4y ago
  In Austria we call it "conditions incompatible with life".
- dontbenebby 4y ago
- oehtXRwMkIs 4y ago
  In CA (and probably elsewhere) the list usually also contains incineration, decomposition, rigor mortis, and livor mortis. And depending on the county the list can also include other signs that are a bit more nuanced. Such as apneic + pulseless + DNR. Or submerged for over an hour.
- Yizahi 4y ago
  Aka "rapid unscheduled disassembly"
kbumsik 4y ago
I am Korean and we are getting "dead confirmed" number separately now, reported by hospitals. So yes, "cardiac arrest" is reported from the accident site and it is unlikely that they are going to survive. I wonder how it is different in other countries.
- bkjelden 4y ago

skaushik92 4y ago

There’s something to be said for the media alerting everyone in their localities of potential Halloween threats. Every time the media alert us of some new threat (e.g rainbow fentanyl) and it’s a false alarm, people ultimately experience a sort of cry-wolf effect and this results in kids experiencing the negative consequences. The media ultimately aren’t incentivized properly to reserve these reports to account for these transitive impacts, and as long as we’re consuming these channels for free they end up cashing in on our fears and showing us these reports to make a quick buck. Spooky in its own way I guess.

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redanddead 4y ago
Yeah just this morning I saw in bold on my newsfeed: "URGENT RECALL" for some chocolate bars from costco or whatever, and this is days before Halloween. It was a small quality-control/expiry date recall for adult snacks. I don't see this kind of behavior ending well for anyone involved.

superkuh 4y ago

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chrononaut 4y ago
> This halloween is going to be the largest distributed super spreader event in history. What's different about this Halloween than any other global or regional holiday with its associated festivals?

aaron695 4y ago

89vision 4y ago

reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

goldenkey 4y ago
What a disastrous rabbit hole.. It seems like the switch in police command led to lack of proper crowd control, and with hot spots, led to the crushing.

barbazoo 4y ago

From the guidelines > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

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