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Do you mean the poster is wrong, we did vote for commissioners? Or do you mean you agree with the policy and don't care how it was arrived at?

mrtksn 4y ago
Why would anyone vote for the commissioners? EU is not structured this way, we don't have a supreme leader or something of that sort and everything is decided through elected or appointed by elected people from 27 different countries. We vote for the EU parliament representatives and they recommend commissioners to the council and the council appoints. A bit like the UK, where they don't elect a prime minister but vote for parties which appoint the prime minister. Notice how UK went through a couple prime ministers without an election? If you want to shoot for technicalities, in the USA people don't vote for the president but electoral college that happens to elect a specific person but they might choose not to.
- cbeach 4y ago
  In the U.K. the prime minister is an elected MP. We have multiple means to depose a bad PM. How do we depose a bad EU commissioner?
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    You are thinking in UK terms but UK and EU are not analogous. EU Commissioner can't really make some big decisions and almost crash the economy like Liz Truss. Anyway if somehow the EU commissioner manages to be bad and needs to be removed ASAP the EU parliament, which is made of the directly elected officials, can remove the commissioner. EU is undemocratic and the members can't do anything about EU is a myth like Brexit is removing the red tape myth.
    - bennysonething 4y ago
      And we got rid of Liz Truss within weeks. Plus the damage she did was limited to a single country. It's actually pretty good proof that the system worked. It's not perfect but the people spoke and she was removed. If I'm in an EU country how do I vote to stop policies that are being handed down. I probably can influence some how but it's a pretty big problem that it seems like we can't. I think this perception was partly to blame for Brexit (which I voted against and hope can be undone some day).
      - mrtksn 4y ago
        EU is extension of your government and the directly elected MPs. This means, to influence EU you vote at the elections - both the elections where you choose your country's' govt and the EU parliament elections. Its strange to claim that EU is undemocratic unless it's exactly the same as INSERT COUNTRY. EU is not a 3rd party institution, despite that politicians might talk as if it is. They might say something like "Ah we would love to do that but we can't because of the rules in Brussels" to deflect blame but Brussels is simply the location where people who you voted for and people appointed by the people you voted for gather to agree on these rules. That's why EU often can't agree on something if even one of the countries(which is a placeholder for the people who they voted for or people who are appointed by the people they voted for) don't want. The most recent and well known examples are the policies against the war in Ukraine where Hungary didn't play ball. That's also why UK won't be able to be a better place after Brexit: The EU rules are also British rules, made by British politicians with UK's best interest in mind. The most you can get is sewage on the beaches and border checks when exporting to EU. The border check part is about making sure that if you happen to remove regulations and start producing things like children toys with led paint, these toys won't end in Barcelona or Warsaw.
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mrtksn 4y ago

Why would anyone vote for the commissioners? EU is not structured this way, we don't have a supreme leader or something of that sort and everything is decided through elected or appointed by elected people from 27 different countries. We vote for the EU parliament representatives and they recommend commissioners to the council and the council appoints. A bit like the UK, where they don't elect a prime minister but vote for parties which appoint the prime minister. Notice how UK went through a couple prime ministers without an election? If you want to shoot for technicalities, in the USA people don't vote for the president but electoral college that happens to elect a specific person but they might choose not to.

cbeach 4y ago
In the U.K. the prime minister is an elected MP. We have multiple means to depose a bad PM. How do we depose a bad EU commissioner?
- mrtksn 4y ago
  You are thinking in UK terms but UK and EU are not analogous. EU Commissioner can't really make some big decisions and almost crash the economy like Liz Truss. Anyway if somehow the EU commissioner manages to be bad and needs to be removed ASAP the EU parliament, which is made of the directly elected officials, can remove the commissioner. EU is undemocratic and the members can't do anything about EU is a myth like Brexit is removing the red tape myth.
  - bennysonething 4y ago
    And we got rid of Liz Truss within weeks. Plus the damage she did was limited to a single country. It's actually pretty good proof that the system worked. It's not perfect but the people spoke and she was removed. If I'm in an EU country how do I vote to stop policies that are being handed down. I probably can influence some how but it's a pretty big problem that it seems like we can't. I think this perception was partly to blame for Brexit (which I voted against and hope can be undone some day).
    - mrtksn 4y ago
      EU is extension of your government and the directly elected MPs. This means, to influence EU you vote at the elections - both the elections where you choose your country's' govt and the EU parliament elections. Its strange to claim that EU is undemocratic unless it's exactly the same as INSERT COUNTRY. EU is not a 3rd party institution, despite that politicians might talk as if it is. They might say something like "Ah we would love to do that but we can't because of the rules in Brussels" to deflect blame but Brussels is simply the location where people who you voted for and people appointed by the people you voted for gather to agree on these rules. That's why EU often can't agree on something if even one of the countries(which is a placeholder for the people who they voted for or people who are appointed by the people they voted for) don't want. The most recent and well known examples are the policies against the war in Ukraine where Hungary didn't play ball. That's also why UK won't be able to be a better place after Brexit: The EU rules are also British rules, made by British politicians with UK's best interest in mind. The most you can get is sewage on the beaches and border checks when exporting to EU. The border check part is about making sure that if you happen to remove regulations and start producing things like children toys with led paint, these toys won't end in Barcelona or Warsaw.
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