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Your evidence for masks working is ... movies? This has come up so often, but clearly, repetition must continue. Masks and mask mandates had no effect on COVID
by origin_path 4y ago
Your evidence for masks working is ... movies?
This has come up so often, but clearly, repetition must continue. Masks and mask mandates had no effect on COVID at any point. Even a cursory amount of time spent with the case graphs and start/end dates will show that to be clear. You simply cannot find inflection points in the case graphs that correlate with mask mandates being added or removed. The reason is, masking assumed SARS-CoV-2 spreads via large water droplets. The mask was supposed to catch these droplets if you were infected and coughed. But actually SARS-CoV-2 spreads like a gas, via invisible aerosols that can float in the air.
The article discusses this briefly:
Animal experiments to test the efficacy of vaccines generated highly infectious aerosols that are “difficult to detect,” the interim report says, adding that “there were concerns about conducting this type of research in a BSL2 laboratory.”
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Two and a half months earlier, according to the interim report, procurement officials at the WIV posted a call for bids on a government website seeking a costly air incinerator. The post was dated Nov. 19, 2019, the very day that the visiting CAS safety official arrived to address a “complex and grave” situation there … If somehow the HEPA filter system failed, because there was a tear or breach … then your quick fix would be to bring in an air incinerator.
This was actually known from the start by people paying attention. The Diamond Princess cruise ship proved it. The whole ship was placed in lockdown, where people weren't allowed to leave their cabins, and the initial infections were also confined to quarters. Yet very quickly COVID was cropping up all over the ship despite the lack of contact. Therefore it must have been spreading via the air ducts as a consequence. This sort of thing was to be expected because SARS-1 was found by investigators in Hong Kong to have spread within an apartment building placed in lockdown via the drain pipes connecting bathrooms, and even between buildings, via aerosol spread. Search for "Environmental transmission of SARS at Amoy Gardens" to see.
The outbreak on the Diamond Princess revealed not only that lockdowns wouldn't work, but also that lots of people appeared to have prior immunity, somehow. Unfortunately even though this rather 'useful' outbreak happened very early on, the results were ignored by epidemiologists. The reason is fairly clear if you read their papers: they have developed a culture of ignoring inconvenient data and replacing it with assumptions. Epidemiology papers and models will routinely have dozens or even hundreds of assumptions in them, even about variables that have observational data available, and always to the same end of exaggerating both severity of an epidemic along with the ability to control it. Aerosol spread would have rendered epidemiologists entirely useless, as there's no known way to contain or reduce the spread of such a virus, so they'd have had nothing to contribute. Hence the replacement of observational data with the assumption of highly localized droplet spread, to which several different containment strategies could be applied.
- mindslight 4y agoAnd here we go, again. > Your evidence for masks working is ... movies? Not evidence. Graphical demonstration of common sense behavior by other humans that can be mimicked, because if someone is operating at the level of "masks don't work" or "a cloth mask will protect" then that is apparently what's needed. An individual doing a menial task of spraying paint or grinding metal and then blowing out black snot quickly understands the purpose of air filtration, but social media is a hell of a drug. "Masks" having no effect on Covid isn't an indicator of much, because >90% of the population never wore real respirators that provided actual incoming air filtration. You're essentially beating the strawman of the people wearing cut up t-shirts to "protect others", which I agree was also dumb tribal behavior. Putting it simply - why has air filtration been standard operating procedure in bio labs, long before Covid? The question about Covid specifically isn't some "yes/no", but ultimately an engineering problem of what type of filtration is effective.
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- taolegal 4y ago> >90% of the population never wore real respirators Because doing so is not practical, all these "pro-science" people are divorced from reality, operating in some absurdly idealized world that doesn't account for whether a system is literally able to be practiced by normal people. Our evidence for whether it's possible is whether anywhere even close to a majority of people did over the course of the pandemic. Not even close.
- mindslight 4y ago"It's not practical because nobody did it because we told them it's not practical" If everyone had that kind of outlook, we'd still be living in caves.
- taolegal 4y agoBut surely if everyone is doing absurd things to avoid death, like quarantining & wiping down their mail & groceries. Surely they’d have used better respirators.