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I'll let you in on something else that used to be a conspiracy and is now true. They did it on purpose. Between sanctions and tarifs the Chinese economy was bei

I'll let you in on something else that used to be a conspiracy and is now true. They did it on purpose. Between sanctions and tarifs the Chinese economy was being crushed by Trump. They needed a way to reset the world economy.

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yieldcrv 4y ago
The issue with conspiracies is that they require competence Alternatively, there are opportunists ready when presented with a reality Here, it relies on damning China for having a vaccine ready so fast. China’s vaccine doesn’t work and their population is still susceptible to covid. They take a separate opportunity for just waiting for weaker strains to evolve and circulate. It isn’t competence. There is no tree of plans. It is just reactions that seem beneficial at the time.
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rasz 4y ago
Letting it lose? No f way. That would be nuts. Shutting down ALL internal Chinese travel from Wuhan, but letting international departures - that did happen, after all the more the merrier, let the world share our misery. Additionally let our stooge at WHO keep parroting how air travel is safe and essential!
- shaobo 4y ago
  It did not. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel-conspiracy/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel...
  - rasz 4y ago
    "regular commercial flights", but planes full of people did travel out of wuhan https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/us/coronavirus-flights-wuhan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/us/coronavirus-flights-wu... https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/04/us/us-wuhan-evacuation-flight-coronavirus/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/04/us/us-wuhan-evacuation-fl... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/cdc-says-us-is-accepting-four-new-planes-carrying-americans-from-wuhan.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/cdc-says-us-is-accepting-fou... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa/two-more-u-s-evacuation-planes-leave-coronavirus-epicenter-wuhan-idUSKBN20105M https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa/two-more... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-trav... https://www.reuters.com/article/china-health-britain/british-evacuation-flight-cleared-to-leave-coronavirus-epicentre-in-china-idINKBN1ZT0OO https://www.reuters.com/article/china-health-britain/british... https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavirus-travel-ban https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavir... “Travel restrictions can cause more harm than good by hindering info-sharing, medical supply chains and harming economies,” said the World Health Organization director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152 https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152 12:18 PM · Jan 14, 2020 "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China." WHO waited full week to Jan 30 before declaring "outbreak meeting the criteria for a Public Health Emergency of International Concern".
    - shaobo 4y ago
      You mean flights specifically chartered by the US and British governments to evacuate their citizens and their family from Wuhan? It is all in the articles you linked.
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incomingpain 4y ago
>I'll let you in on something else that used to be a conspiracy and is now true. They did it on purpose. Between sanctions and tarifs the Chinese economy was being crushed by Trump. They needed a way to reset the world economy. Who is they? I find it difficult to believe China's government is behind it. They a reversing course on their one child policy because they realize the collapse coming from their low fertility rate. Better yet, they introduced significant incentives in order to fix this rate. Their zerocovid policy is incidentally so crazy because they fear population decline. Worse yet, this ongoing issue is exacerbating the huge wealth disparity of east-west in china and imminent peasant revolt is likely. China isn't in a spot where they want to do this. I would certainly see it the other way. the USA was quite involved in the wuhan lab. The USA could certainly have been the 'they' though obviously this whole Meng Wanzhou and Huawei thing in Canada ties together with the winnipeg lab and chinese national sending viruses to wuhan.
cochne 4y ago
Can you provide evidence for such a claim?
errantmind 4y ago
It is actively harmful to divert discussion away from all of the information in the well-sourced original publication, regardless of the truth of your statement.
jvandonsel 4y ago
U.S. imports from China year by year. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports-from-china https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports-from-chin... The Chinese economy was not “crushed by Trump”.
- mindslight 4y ago
  As much as I think it's ridiculous to heap too much credit on a hollow conman, that chart shows a gradual increase year over year and then a 20% drop for 2019. Though if OP felt like making the case for willfulness with any type of elaboration or reference, that would be nice.

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yieldcrv 4y ago

The issue with conspiracies is that they require competence Alternatively, there are opportunists ready when presented with a reality Here, it relies on damning China for having a vaccine ready so fast. China’s vaccine doesn’t work and their population is still susceptible to covid. They take a separate opportunity for just waiting for weaker strains to evolve and circulate. It isn’t competence. There is no tree of plans. It is just reactions that seem beneficial at the time.

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lost_tourist 4y ago

rasz 4y ago

Letting it lose? No f way. That would be nuts. Shutting down ALL internal Chinese travel from Wuhan, but letting international departures - that did happen, after all the more the merrier, let the world share our misery. Additionally let our stooge at WHO keep parroting how air travel is safe and essential!

shaobo 4y ago
It did not. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel-conspiracy/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel...
- rasz 4y ago
  "regular commercial flights", but planes full of people did travel out of wuhan https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/us/coronavirus-flights-wuhan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/us/coronavirus-flights-wu... https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/04/us/us-wuhan-evacuation-flight-coronavirus/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/04/us/us-wuhan-evacuation-fl... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/cdc-says-us-is-accepting-four-new-planes-carrying-americans-from-wuhan.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/cdc-says-us-is-accepting-fou... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa/two-more-u-s-evacuation-planes-leave-coronavirus-epicenter-wuhan-idUSKBN20105M https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa/two-more... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-trav... https://www.reuters.com/article/china-health-britain/british-evacuation-flight-cleared-to-leave-coronavirus-epicentre-in-china-idINKBN1ZT0OO https://www.reuters.com/article/china-health-britain/british... https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavirus-travel-ban https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavir... “Travel restrictions can cause more harm than good by hindering info-sharing, medical supply chains and harming economies,” said the World Health Organization director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152 https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152 12:18 PM · Jan 14, 2020 "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China." WHO waited full week to Jan 30 before declaring "outbreak meeting the criteria for a Public Health Emergency of International Concern".
  - shaobo 4y ago
    You mean flights specifically chartered by the US and British governments to evacuate their citizens and their family from Wuhan? It is all in the articles you linked.

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incomingpain 4y ago

>I'll let you in on something else that used to be a conspiracy and is now true. They did it on purpose. Between sanctions and tarifs the Chinese economy was being crushed by Trump. They needed a way to reset the world economy. Who is they? I find it difficult to believe China's government is behind it. They a reversing course on their one child policy because they realize the collapse coming from their low fertility rate. Better yet, they introduced significant incentives in order to fix this rate. Their zerocovid policy is incidentally so crazy because they fear population decline. Worse yet, this ongoing issue is exacerbating the huge wealth disparity of east-west in china and imminent peasant revolt is likely. China isn't in a spot where they want to do this. I would certainly see it the other way. the USA was quite involved in the wuhan lab. The USA could certainly have been the 'they' though obviously this whole Meng Wanzhou and Huawei thing in Canada ties together with the winnipeg lab and chinese national sending viruses to wuhan.

cochne 4y ago

Can you provide evidence for such a claim?

errantmind 4y ago

It is actively harmful to divert discussion away from all of the information in the well-sourced original publication, regardless of the truth of your statement.

jvandonsel 4y ago

U.S. imports from China year by year. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports-from-china https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports-from-chin... The Chinese economy was not “crushed by Trump”.

mindslight 4y ago
As much as I think it's ridiculous to heap too much credit on a hollow conman, that chart shows a gradual increase year over year and then a 20% drop for 2019. Though if OP felt like making the case for willfulness with any type of elaboration or reference, that would be nice.