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Sure it can be unreliable cuz we are dealing with the brain which as a system is less understood than a cyclone. Its natural the pros will get things wrong cau

by gsatic 4y ago

Sure it can be unreliable cuz we are dealing with the brain which as a system is less understood than a cyclone. Its natural the pros will get things wrong cause of the complexity and dynamic nature of the issues, but don't kid yourself that your SO or family members or friends or work mates are going to do a better job. If they have never handled the issue before it's almost guaranteed they will create new issues and then cry about or hide behind their good intdntions after things blow up in their face.

candiodari 4y ago
> Its natural the pros will get things wrong cause of the complexity and dynamic nature of the issues, but don't kid yourself that your SO or family members or friends or work mates are going to do a better job. I would expect "professionals" to do a better job. They don't. Otherwise ... one might point out Kenny Rogers is a professional: he's always been paid for his role (I doubt much acting was involved) in MTV's show "jackass". Being a "pro" means nothing, and certainly does not mean you beat amateurs. Plus, this is hacker news. In CS most amateurs, by virtue of actually liking what they do and putting in more effort, beat most professionals. Certainly on an individual level. > If they have never handled the issue before it's almost guaranteed they will create new issues and then cry about or hide behind their good intdntions after things blow up in their face. This is exactly the behaviour we keep seeing from professionals. Specifically, mental health has nothing remotely like the medical profession's responsibility, they do not accept the consequences of what they do, and they always hide behind their "good" intentions (scare quotes because: pros are by definition paid for their good intentions) Here's a story of situations mental health "professionals" created: https://elan.school/83-keyed-up https://elan.school/83-keyed-up The history of psychology and psychiatry is full of lies, deceit and, more than anything else: abuse. Mostly of underage girls. One might point out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Freudian_Coverup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Freudian_Coverup What was the best-selling product of dr. Sigmund Freud? I will point out his name is still revered by current psychologists. That product was: testifying in court how girls (and boys, though much less often) wanted to be raped, and thereby caused and carried guilt for being raped. In addition to this he silenced victims ... with violence. Not for free, of course. Also with drugs, therapy, making them doubt themselves, ... whatever he could. Current psychologists largely still do not see a problem with either his theories (they'll say they're "superseded") or his actions. One can only assume his status as the best earning psychologist ever has something to do with that. The brain is understood well enough to totally discredit 90% of psychology. It has just never been the intention of psychologists to be accurate. That's literally not what the science entails. They want to change the world for the better. Lying to accomplish that may be a grey zone, but it is quite well accepted this is part of how psychology works. It's like political science. Whether some claim is true or not is, at best, considered secondary to its effect on people. Perhaps not ideal, but let's say useful. For example, a claim that you will find well supported, but not in psychology is that abused people ... are very likely to abuse others. It's of course a controversial claim, but it's pretty well supported. Psychologists will not accept it. Now this, I guess, can be valid position, because if you want to change the world for the better, then perhaps not accepting this claim is the right thing to do. But none of that has any bearing on the truth of it.
- LocalH 4y ago
  > Otherwise ... one might point out Kenny Rogers is a professional: he's always been paid for his role (I doubt much acting was involved) in MTV's show "jackass" Are you sure you're referring to the right person? The only "involvement" Kenny Rogers had with Jackass was being portrayed in a MADtv sketch, afaik.
- fao_ 4y ago
  > What was the best-selling product of dr. Sigmund Freud? I will point out his name is still revered by current psychologists. [citation needed] -- a hobby of mine is watching Psychology and Neuroscience courses on youtube. One from 12 years ago that I rewatched semi-recently, the professor explicitly called out Freud as a fraud, but needed to talk about his one theory anyway. The only people who give a shit about Freud are laymen, honestly. It's just that we've already had 2 or 3 decades where a lot of publications disproved Freud, nobody gives a shit to do that all over again, and most things that can be said about a guy from 100 years ago, have been said. > The brain is understood well enough to totally discredit 90% of psychology. It has just never been the intention of psychologists to be accurate. [citation needed] In the case of ADHD, neuroscience and neurochemistry feed into and complement Psychology. They aren't all done in a vacuum, and many colleges for... many decades now, have neuroscience courses as mandatory for psychology undergraduates. > For example, a claim that you will find well supported, but not in psychology is that abused people ... are very likely to abuse others. It's of course a controversial claim, but it's pretty well supported. Psychologists will not accept it. Err... what? This is taught on Therapy/Counselling 101 courses.

by gsatic 4y ago

candiodari 4y ago

> Its natural the pros will get things wrong cause of the complexity and dynamic nature of the issues, but don't kid yourself that your SO or family members or friends or work mates are going to do a better job. I would expect "professionals" to do a better job. They don't. Otherwise ... one might point out Kenny Rogers is a professional: he's always been paid for his role (I doubt much acting was involved) in MTV's show "jackass". Being a "pro" means nothing, and certainly does not mean you beat amateurs. Plus, this is hacker news. In CS most amateurs, by virtue of actually liking what they do and putting in more effort, beat most professionals. Certainly on an individual level. > If they have never handled the issue before it's almost guaranteed they will create new issues and then cry about or hide behind their good intdntions after things blow up in their face. This is exactly the behaviour we keep seeing from professionals. Specifically, mental health has nothing remotely like the medical profession's responsibility, they do not accept the consequences of what they do, and they always hide behind their "good" intentions (scare quotes because: pros are by definition paid for their good intentions) Here's a story of situations mental health "professionals" created: https://elan.school/83-keyed-up https://elan.school/83-keyed-up The history of psychology and psychiatry is full of lies, deceit and, more than anything else: abuse. Mostly of underage girls. One might point out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Freudian_Coverup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Freudian_Coverup What was the best-selling product of dr. Sigmund Freud? I will point out his name is still revered by current psychologists. That product was: testifying in court how girls (and boys, though much less often) wanted to be raped, and thereby caused and carried guilt for being raped. In addition to this he silenced victims ... with violence. Not for free, of course. Also with drugs, therapy, making them doubt themselves, ... whatever he could. Current psychologists largely still do not see a problem with either his theories (they'll say they're "superseded") or his actions. One can only assume his status as the best earning psychologist ever has something to do with that. The brain is understood well enough to totally discredit 90% of psychology. It has just never been the intention of psychologists to be accurate. That's literally not what the science entails. They want to change the world for the better. Lying to accomplish that may be a grey zone, but it is quite well accepted this is part of how psychology works. It's like political science. Whether some claim is true or not is, at best, considered secondary to its effect on people. Perhaps not ideal, but let's say useful. For example, a claim that you will find well supported, but not in psychology is that abused people ... are very likely to abuse others. It's of course a controversial claim, but it's pretty well supported. Psychologists will not accept it. Now this, I guess, can be valid position, because if you want to change the world for the better, then perhaps not accepting this claim is the right thing to do. But none of that has any bearing on the truth of it.

LocalH 4y ago
> Otherwise ... one might point out Kenny Rogers is a professional: he's always been paid for his role (I doubt much acting was involved) in MTV's show "jackass" Are you sure you're referring to the right person? The only "involvement" Kenny Rogers had with Jackass was being portrayed in a MADtv sketch, afaik.
fao_ 4y ago
> What was the best-selling product of dr. Sigmund Freud? I will point out his name is still revered by current psychologists. [citation needed] -- a hobby of mine is watching Psychology and Neuroscience courses on youtube. One from 12 years ago that I rewatched semi-recently, the professor explicitly called out Freud as a fraud, but needed to talk about his one theory anyway. The only people who give a shit about Freud are laymen, honestly. It's just that we've already had 2 or 3 decades where a lot of publications disproved Freud, nobody gives a shit to do that all over again, and most things that can be said about a guy from 100 years ago, have been said. > The brain is understood well enough to totally discredit 90% of psychology. It has just never been the intention of psychologists to be accurate. [citation needed] In the case of ADHD, neuroscience and neurochemistry feed into and complement Psychology. They aren't all done in a vacuum, and many colleges for... many decades now, have neuroscience courses as mandatory for psychology undergraduates. > For example, a claim that you will find well supported, but not in psychology is that abused people ... are very likely to abuse others. It's of course a controversial claim, but it's pretty well supported. Psychologists will not accept it. Err... what? This is taught on Therapy/Counselling 101 courses.