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> Demand for art is far from saturated. Most people have vivid imagination and would like some physical representation of that. For the dozen of amateur creativ

> Demand for art is far from saturated. Most people have vivid imagination and would like some physical representation of that. For the dozen of amateur creatives there are nearly as many who wish they could get access and have the time to learn a way to express. That's not demand for art. That's demand for learning to become an artist. It's like saying people wanting to become farmers is equivalent to more demand for food. No. Related? Yes. But they are not the same. >Anyway I think the scare about AI generated art is misplaced when it comes to art as a general concept. It is after all merely a tool and a tool can suppress art. Plenty of abstract art was already not limited to technical mastery and could have been made by a computer yet abstract art didn’t disappear and artists weren’t displaced. You can think this all you want. But you can also project the current trends of technology into the future and envision a future where AI creates art better and faster then ANY human on the face of the earth. Then take that AI and apply it to programming, decision making, car driving and every other occupation that right now only humans can do. Notice how I just made a realistic projection? I didn't say whether it was scary or horrible. I just made a realistic projection and THAT projection itself should give ANYONE pause about the future of humanity. You are way to optimistic. I leave it to you to fill in what the projection means for us. A lot of people are just like "Oh we'll just switch to UBI, and AI will create a utopia". Yeah, that's not a realistic projection. Unlike my projection, this is just a random shot in the dark. Given that utopia and UBI never successfully existed on such a massive scale yet, such a transition should also give you pause. Additionally UBI is dangerously similar to communism which is in itself questionable. >The Japanese and Korean illustrators scare however is not misplaced. It comes from how the industry is structured No it's from how reality is structured. If some machine does your job better than you then you become redundant. No amount of industrial structuring can make this FACT not true. >These people are scared for their livelihood and they probably are right to be. You should be scared as well. AI targets almost every job. Art is just the first to fall.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago
> Notice how I just made a realistic projection? Well, you haven’t. There is absolutely nothing in the current AI state of the art which points towards that. As many as been telling you, you are scared of ghosts. Did the loop make workers disappear? Did cameras made us stop painting? What you wrote were written in exactly the same way for all these innovations. You will pass, progress will march on.
- deltasevennine 4y ago
  >Well, you haven’t. There is absolutely nothing in the current AI state of the art which points towards that. As many as been telling you, you are scared of ghosts. It's called logic, there are no ghosts here. If improvements arrive incrementally as they have been for the last decade with milestones like Dall-E, GPT-3, Alpha Go, Deep Blue. These events form what's called an "upward trend". If you project that trend following mathematical statistical procedures with a trend line, you can "project" that line into the future. That is called a "linear projection". That trend is far more mathematical, far more logical then any other evaluation you can come up with. Everything you have are just qualitative opinions. Literally I have time on the X-axis and "amount of things computers are able to do almost as good if not better then humans" on the Y-axis. That trend line flows back from, the inception of computing. Not just a decade of data but half a century. My conclusions are DATA driven. Your conclusions are just gut feelings. If you deny this you are illogical. There is no other way of putting this. >Did the loop make workers disappear? Did cameras made us stop painting? Wtf is the loop? Did automation in factories make workers disappear? Did cameras make us stop painting? The answer is yes. Many painters who use to go to peoples houses to paint portraits.... most of those occupations HAVE disappeared. Same with factory workers, automation wiped a lot of them out (aka disappeared). You can see the results of it today... the wealth inequality we see in the world is partly the result of technology. You are in huge denial if you think technology doesn't make occupations disappear. This kind of thing is a Well known economic phenomenon NOT exclusive to AI. When technology improves workers in related fields become less. There are loads and loads of quantitative line graphs with trend lines that show this and economists who can back it up. >What you wrote were written in exactly the same way for all these innovations. You will pass, progress will march on. What do you mean I will pass? Of course progress will march on. There's NOTHING anyone can do to stop it. AI will steam roll entire industries including eventually itself. You already have ML building models and ML training itself. You're like a climate denier. I'm saying global warming is inevitable. It will happen. There is nothing left humanity can do to change the current trend. You're saying there is no trend. No evidence. No data within the last century at all. Not to be insulting but this is total and complete blindness. Literally I am describing to you trend lines and data points and you're unable to see how biased you are.
CamperBob2 4y ago
If some machine does your job better than you then you become redundant. Yeah, just think of all those farmers who had no choice but to commit suicide when threshers, steam engines, and milking machines were invented. You're confusing a boon with a tragedy. It's a GOOD thing to be made redundant by automation. Now you can do what you were supposed to be doing all along... whatever that is.
- deltasevennine 4y ago
  >Yeah, just think of all those farmers who had no choice but to commit suicide when threshers, steam engines, and milking machines were invented. Yeah. Many farmers did become redundant. You're not thinking clearly. >You're confusing a boon with a tragedy. It's a GOOD thing to be made redundant by automation. You're an extremist thinking all technological advancement is a boon never considering the nuances of situations. It can be good and it can be bad. Obesity for example is the result of improved efficiencies in automated manufacturing of food. > Now you can do what you were supposed to be doing all along... whatever that is. What's funny is you don't even know what they're suppose to be doing. What's a human being suppose to do when every ounce of his capability is rendered redundant by machines? What happens to the economy how does it work? You don't know and you think it's a good thing. That's bias right there. Not knowing something and thinking it's good AS IF you know it. You can't know something is good without knowing what that something is. You know how the economy works right? Let me tell you what it actually is. It's an UNKNOWN thing. Never in the history of the human race has this type of economy existed where most humans no longer need to be productive. If you think everyone is going to have equal access to the benefits of AI and automation history says this isn't what typically happens.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago

> Notice how I just made a realistic projection? Well, you haven’t. There is absolutely nothing in the current AI state of the art which points towards that. As many as been telling you, you are scared of ghosts. Did the loop make workers disappear? Did cameras made us stop painting? What you wrote were written in exactly the same way for all these innovations. You will pass, progress will march on.

deltasevennine 4y ago
>Well, you haven’t. There is absolutely nothing in the current AI state of the art which points towards that. As many as been telling you, you are scared of ghosts. It's called logic, there are no ghosts here. If improvements arrive incrementally as they have been for the last decade with milestones like Dall-E, GPT-3, Alpha Go, Deep Blue. These events form what's called an "upward trend". If you project that trend following mathematical statistical procedures with a trend line, you can "project" that line into the future. That is called a "linear projection". That trend is far more mathematical, far more logical then any other evaluation you can come up with. Everything you have are just qualitative opinions. Literally I have time on the X-axis and "amount of things computers are able to do almost as good if not better then humans" on the Y-axis. That trend line flows back from, the inception of computing. Not just a decade of data but half a century. My conclusions are DATA driven. Your conclusions are just gut feelings. If you deny this you are illogical. There is no other way of putting this. >Did the loop make workers disappear? Did cameras made us stop painting? Wtf is the loop? Did automation in factories make workers disappear? Did cameras make us stop painting? The answer is yes. Many painters who use to go to peoples houses to paint portraits.... most of those occupations HAVE disappeared. Same with factory workers, automation wiped a lot of them out (aka disappeared). You can see the results of it today... the wealth inequality we see in the world is partly the result of technology. You are in huge denial if you think technology doesn't make occupations disappear. This kind of thing is a Well known economic phenomenon NOT exclusive to AI. When technology improves workers in related fields become less. There are loads and loads of quantitative line graphs with trend lines that show this and economists who can back it up. >What you wrote were written in exactly the same way for all these innovations. You will pass, progress will march on. What do you mean I will pass? Of course progress will march on. There's NOTHING anyone can do to stop it. AI will steam roll entire industries including eventually itself. You already have ML building models and ML training itself. You're like a climate denier. I'm saying global warming is inevitable. It will happen. There is nothing left humanity can do to change the current trend. You're saying there is no trend. No evidence. No data within the last century at all. Not to be insulting but this is total and complete blindness. Literally I am describing to you trend lines and data points and you're unable to see how biased you are.

CamperBob2 4y ago

If some machine does your job better than you then you become redundant. Yeah, just think of all those farmers who had no choice but to commit suicide when threshers, steam engines, and milking machines were invented. You're confusing a boon with a tragedy. It's a GOOD thing to be made redundant by automation. Now you can do what you were supposed to be doing all along... whatever that is.

deltasevennine 4y ago
>Yeah, just think of all those farmers who had no choice but to commit suicide when threshers, steam engines, and milking machines were invented. Yeah. Many farmers did become redundant. You're not thinking clearly. >You're confusing a boon with a tragedy. It's a GOOD thing to be made redundant by automation. You're an extremist thinking all technological advancement is a boon never considering the nuances of situations. It can be good and it can be bad. Obesity for example is the result of improved efficiencies in automated manufacturing of food. > Now you can do what you were supposed to be doing all along... whatever that is. What's funny is you don't even know what they're suppose to be doing. What's a human being suppose to do when every ounce of his capability is rendered redundant by machines? What happens to the economy how does it work? You don't know and you think it's a good thing. That's bias right there. Not knowing something and thinking it's good AS IF you know it. You can't know something is good without knowing what that something is. You know how the economy works right? Let me tell you what it actually is. It's an UNKNOWN thing. Never in the history of the human race has this type of economy existed where most humans no longer need to be productive. If you think everyone is going to have equal access to the benefits of AI and automation history says this isn't what typically happens.