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> You could say that the Chinese approach is not 'self driving' but 'networked driving'. But what is the big deal if your car whisks you off from A to B without

> You could say that the Chinese approach is not 'self driving' but 'networked driving'. But what is the big deal if your car whisks you off from A to B without having to touch the wheel? Would this before or after they've locked everyone under indefinite COVID detention, err... quarantine? Even if this were the way they justify the massive panopticon, there would be so few people that would benefit from this tech that one has to ask what was gained from doing so? The way QR codes made it's way to China isn't entirely just weibo or wechat alone, Xianjing relies on them as does all the AI facial recognition tech and is the very definition of an Authoritarian police-state and if that is what it 'takes' to get to mas adoption of Surveillance Tech than I think we are better off. Public transportation mixed wit WFH solutions seem far more favourable.

Theodores 4y ago
You are right about public transport, as a cyclist I like the Dutch solution. I don't believe you have been to China recently. There is no need to offload your assumptions about what Chinese people have for breakfast or how they put their socks on. This thread was all about self driving cars and they have a different approach to you.
- Melting_Harps 4y ago
  > I don't believe you have been to China recently. Given they've had a zero Covid-policy, it's safe to say that is the case for so many others as well. > There is no need to offload your assumptions about what Chinese people have for breakfast or how they put their socks on. This thread was all about self driving cars and they have a different approach to you. I think this is what bothers me most about those trying to sell AI solutions to anything and everything, self-driving being the most ubiquitous, is that their is almost no actual self-reflection as to how this will play out. Rather than consider the stark implications of the reality you've laid out, of which there are many, you'd rather go in blindly proclaiming a technical solution is at hand and move headlong towards that end without realizing that for all of that to be a possibility you'd have already established a very dark dystopia, when in reality the goal should be to get as many off the road as possible in order to make any actual headway in curbing GHG emissions and thus climate change. I study AI and ML and the truth is that FSD seems like an unattainable panacea, as in completely autonomous and non-Human guided, as it relies on so many more problems to be solved: including, but not limited to, having complete global connectivity and with 100% coverage and no outages, assuming you don't want to see a massive pileup of cars that temporarily went offline ran a stop/redlight and collided into a building.
  - Theodores 4y ago
    If you haven't been to China then just say so. Since you are a student then why don't you lift a finger and type "china self driving 5g" into your favourite search engine? You might find their approach to solving problems that you claim to be interested in to be quite educational. These fears of yours may be something our Chinese friends might have considered. They might have even developed solutions. Regarding topics of save the earth, climate chaos and emissions, why don't you study what their public policy is and check their track record on previous goals? Negativity and an unwillingness to learn from other cultures is a dystopia that you are already in, judging by your comments. I promise you that you will be a happier person to put the bile aside. Admittedly it is hard to do given state policy in the UK and USA to be positively sinophobic.
    - Melting_Harps 4y ago
      I'm part Han, that side of my family is from Guangzhou; so what Culture is it exactly do you think I don't know? My fears, I'd say well founded apprehensions, are stemmed from how they have dealt with Tibet, Xianjang, HK (proving even ethnically Han aren't exempt from their iron fist) and how they are trying to impose their will on Taiwan. The CCP is the issue, I'm sure Chinese devs would rather build those tools, or borrow it from Western IP as it is often the case, but as Jack Ma found out: you don't get to decide and the party will always have the final say. I'm well aware of what they're doing with their AI Industry and it's mainly surveillance, specifically in computer vision (face recognition) who they sell to around the World now, and use it widely domestically. I'll do you one better than use a search engine and show you how well documented that sector is [0] even in Academia. I'm no fan of the Military Industrial Complex in the West, but the two aren't even on the same level of egregiousness. 0: https://journals.library.cornell.edu/index.php/ciar/article/view/554 https://journals.library.cornell.edu/index.php/ciar/article/...

Theodores 4y ago

You are right about public transport, as a cyclist I like the Dutch solution. I don't believe you have been to China recently. There is no need to offload your assumptions about what Chinese people have for breakfast or how they put their socks on. This thread was all about self driving cars and they have a different approach to you.

Melting_Harps 4y ago
> I don't believe you have been to China recently. Given they've had a zero Covid-policy, it's safe to say that is the case for so many others as well. > There is no need to offload your assumptions about what Chinese people have for breakfast or how they put their socks on. This thread was all about self driving cars and they have a different approach to you. I think this is what bothers me most about those trying to sell AI solutions to anything and everything, self-driving being the most ubiquitous, is that their is almost no actual self-reflection as to how this will play out. Rather than consider the stark implications of the reality you've laid out, of which there are many, you'd rather go in blindly proclaiming a technical solution is at hand and move headlong towards that end without realizing that for all of that to be a possibility you'd have already established a very dark dystopia, when in reality the goal should be to get as many off the road as possible in order to make any actual headway in curbing GHG emissions and thus climate change. I study AI and ML and the truth is that FSD seems like an unattainable panacea, as in completely autonomous and non-Human guided, as it relies on so many more problems to be solved: including, but not limited to, having complete global connectivity and with 100% coverage and no outages, assuming you don't want to see a massive pileup of cars that temporarily went offline ran a stop/redlight and collided into a building.
- Theodores 4y ago
  If you haven't been to China then just say so. Since you are a student then why don't you lift a finger and type "china self driving 5g" into your favourite search engine? You might find their approach to solving problems that you claim to be interested in to be quite educational. These fears of yours may be something our Chinese friends might have considered. They might have even developed solutions. Regarding topics of save the earth, climate chaos and emissions, why don't you study what their public policy is and check their track record on previous goals? Negativity and an unwillingness to learn from other cultures is a dystopia that you are already in, judging by your comments. I promise you that you will be a happier person to put the bile aside. Admittedly it is hard to do given state policy in the UK and USA to be positively sinophobic.
  - Melting_Harps 4y ago
    I'm part Han, that side of my family is from Guangzhou; so what Culture is it exactly do you think I don't know? My fears, I'd say well founded apprehensions, are stemmed from how they have dealt with Tibet, Xianjang, HK (proving even ethnically Han aren't exempt from their iron fist) and how they are trying to impose their will on Taiwan. The CCP is the issue, I'm sure Chinese devs would rather build those tools, or borrow it from Western IP as it is often the case, but as Jack Ma found out: you don't get to decide and the party will always have the final say. I'm well aware of what they're doing with their AI Industry and it's mainly surveillance, specifically in computer vision (face recognition) who they sell to around the World now, and use it widely domestically. I'll do you one better than use a search engine and show you how well documented that sector is [0] even in Academia. I'm no fan of the Military Industrial Complex in the West, but the two aren't even on the same level of egregiousness. 0: https://journals.library.cornell.edu/index.php/ciar/article/view/554 https://journals.library.cornell.edu/index.php/ciar/article/...