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There's a difference between tried to manipulate and manipulated. We don't know what effect they had. I suspect a miniscule one.

throwaway54_56 4y ago
If their efforts yielded minimal results, somebody else must have had success. Online discord seems to have been sown somehow.
- rayiner 4y ago
  Online discord is being sown because there is real world discord. It’s not coming out of thin air. The college educated upper middle class is increasingly pulling away economically from the middle class, and is being increasingly assertive about their value system which is increasingly diverging from the traditional values held by most of the rest of the country. Institutions are breaking down in different parts of the country in different ways—both red America and blue America are less likely to attend church than before, but what they do instead is creating greater gaps between them. Immigration and globalization are bringing an increased pace of change, and the New York Times is calling anyone who objects to that change bigots and racists.
MRtecno98 4y ago
On what basis exactly?
- ben_w 4y ago
  I can't speak for JamesBarney's reasons, but agree with them that it's probably minimal. Facebook and Twitter have better funded research groups focusing just on the sub-task of knowing what my current state is (a necessary part of being able to tell if you've changed my preferences), and for advertising purposes I am categorised as being into nouns I don't recognise, foods and sports which repulse me, and so on. I expect the three letter agencies to mix me up with the horror film director I share a name with, and also to confuse me with three pet dogs and two pet cats.
- JamesBarney 4y ago
  Because there's been lots of research on how much advertising affects election outcomes and it's minimal.( At the federal/state level, in smaller races where voters lack information about either candidate it can be slightly more influential) I can't imagine a Russian internet trolls with much a smaller reach and lower budget are going to be that much effective than best political ad minds of America at changing our opinions. (For Russian governmental organizational competency see Ukraine) And then anecdotally I could have predicted every person's i knows vote a year before based on how they felt about woke culture and their party identification.

throwaway54_56 4y ago

If their efforts yielded minimal results, somebody else must have had success. Online discord seems to have been sown somehow.

rayiner 4y ago
Online discord is being sown because there is real world discord. It’s not coming out of thin air. The college educated upper middle class is increasingly pulling away economically from the middle class, and is being increasingly assertive about their value system which is increasingly diverging from the traditional values held by most of the rest of the country. Institutions are breaking down in different parts of the country in different ways—both red America and blue America are less likely to attend church than before, but what they do instead is creating greater gaps between them. Immigration and globalization are bringing an increased pace of change, and the New York Times is calling anyone who objects to that change bigots and racists.

MRtecno98 4y ago

On what basis exactly?

ben_w 4y ago
I can't speak for JamesBarney's reasons, but agree with them that it's probably minimal. Facebook and Twitter have better funded research groups focusing just on the sub-task of knowing what my current state is (a necessary part of being able to tell if you've changed my preferences), and for advertising purposes I am categorised as being into nouns I don't recognise, foods and sports which repulse me, and so on. I expect the three letter agencies to mix me up with the horror film director I share a name with, and also to confuse me with three pet dogs and two pet cats.
JamesBarney 4y ago
Because there's been lots of research on how much advertising affects election outcomes and it's minimal.( At the federal/state level, in smaller races where voters lack information about either candidate it can be slightly more influential) I can't imagine a Russian internet trolls with much a smaller reach and lower budget are going to be that much effective than best political ad minds of America at changing our opinions. (For Russian governmental organizational competency see Ukraine) And then anecdotally I could have predicted every person's i knows vote a year before based on how they felt about woke culture and their party identification.