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Let's ask the opposite question. Why was Hawaii absorbed but not the Philippines? Who's in Hawaii today that's happy with the status quo, and whose sacred lands

Let's ask the opposite question. Why was Hawaii absorbed but not the Philippines? Who's in Hawaii today that's happy with the status quo, and whose sacred lands are being turned into a road? Did the native population choose to join as a state or was that imposed on them?

credit_guy 4y ago
> or was that imposed on them How exactly imposed? A candidate state needs to hold a referendum in order to ask for statehood status. If the people of the territory don't want to join, nobody will force them to join. It's the other thing that happens: people of a territory want to join and Congress does not grant them statehood. Just ask Puerto Rico.
- zoolily 4y ago
  Remember that "them" above refers to the native population in Hawaii in the post it's taken from. The reason the referendum succeeded was a big decline in the native population combined with large amounts of immigration from the U.S. Today only 6% of the population are native Hawaiians or 21% if we include part-Hawaiians. That population has doubled since Hawaii became a state.
  - credit_guy 4y ago
    > The reason the referendum succeeded was a big decline in the native population combined with large amounts of immigration from the U.S. Is that a fact, or just your conjecture? All I could find was that in 1940 about 46 thousand people voted in favor of becoming a state, and 22 thousand against. Are you saying there's evidence the native population voted preponderantly against? In any case, it took 19 years from that referendum until the Congress approved the statehood. There was a final vote in Hawaii to approve the statehood. There were 132 thousand yeses vs 8 thousand nos. Was that a fake vote, like the Russians just did in the occupied territories in Ukraine? [1] https://guides.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/c.php?g=105252&p=687125 https://guides.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/c.php?g=105252&p=687...

credit_guy 4y ago

> or was that imposed on them How exactly imposed? A candidate state needs to hold a referendum in order to ask for statehood status. If the people of the territory don't want to join, nobody will force them to join. It's the other thing that happens: people of a territory want to join and Congress does not grant them statehood. Just ask Puerto Rico.

zoolily 4y ago
Remember that "them" above refers to the native population in Hawaii in the post it's taken from. The reason the referendum succeeded was a big decline in the native population combined with large amounts of immigration from the U.S. Today only 6% of the population are native Hawaiians or 21% if we include part-Hawaiians. That population has doubled since Hawaii became a state.
- credit_guy 4y ago
  > The reason the referendum succeeded was a big decline in the native population combined with large amounts of immigration from the U.S. Is that a fact, or just your conjecture? All I could find was that in 1940 about 46 thousand people voted in favor of becoming a state, and 22 thousand against. Are you saying there's evidence the native population voted preponderantly against? In any case, it took 19 years from that referendum until the Congress approved the statehood. There was a final vote in Hawaii to approve the statehood. There were 132 thousand yeses vs 8 thousand nos. Was that a fake vote, like the Russians just did in the occupied territories in Ukraine? [1] https://guides.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/c.php?g=105252&p=687125 https://guides.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/c.php?g=105252&p=687...