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I sympathize with you and I won't vote you down. However I do think that the issue is much bigger then a moral issue. Realize that AI art will become better the

I sympathize with you and I won't vote you down. However I do think that the issue is much bigger then a moral issue. Realize that AI art will become better then human art. It's the trend. If AI art is better than what humans can make then this is more than a simple moral issue.... basically the inevitable future is that the entire occupation of "art" will be steam rolled and 99% of what's out there will become computer generated. Morals be damned, it won't even be a factor. A bunch of scholarly types trying to quantify the rightness and wrongness of something isn't going to mean jack when the power to do create art is so easy and trivial. In fact the morals will shift with the culture and technology and it will be a violent shift. People getting angry here is just the beginning of bigger conflicts in the future. If AI keeps improving things will stabilize into an age of humanity where original art is but a cheap commodity, but that age is not one that will arrive soon, the step before that is violence. The even scarier part is that it's not just art that's being targeted here. Art is just one of the first victims.

ipaddr 4y ago
That's what they said about sheet music. Bring music into the home was not sometime artists who performed live wanted any part of because it was feared that people wouldn't want to go out. The same was said about recorded music, radio. In the end it allowed more wealth and created more demand for music. There will be more demand for art.
- robotastronaut 4y ago
  It’s not the same at all. You don’t bring sheet music home and tell it to write a brand new symphony in the style of Beethoven.
- deltasevennine 4y ago
  Art demand is already saturated. It's in everything you see, from websites, to graphics for news stories to the industrial design of all the products you see. AI art is not going to cause more demand for art given that art is everywhere. More demand for art is like saying more demand for air, more demand for oxygen. Demand is saturated and so is supply. What's happening here is similar to outsourcing. Jobs are going to another place, just not a real place and it isn't people replacing your job. Your analogy is biased. You picked a specific example of new technology being "not bad". How about picking an example of technology being bad? Plenty of analogies in the opposite direction. Singular examples and analogies are not proof of anything.
  - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
    Demand for art is far from saturated. Most people have vivid imagination and would like some physical representation of that. For the dozen of amateur creatives there are nearly as many who wish they could get access and have the time to learn a way to express. Anyway I think the scare about AI generated art is misplaced when it comes to art as a general concept. It is after all merely a tool and a tool can suppress art. Plenty of abstract art was already not limited to technical mastery and could have been made by a computer yet abstract art didn’t disappear and artists weren’t displaced. The Japanese and Korean illustrators scare however is not misplaced. It comes from how the industry is structured. For every credited artists or directors, you have a whole team of assistants and illustrators who have a technical role and produce parts of the image imitating the desired style. This, I could see replace by AI and as it is the entry level position for a career in the field, it would significantly modify its functioning. These people are scared for their livelihood and they probably are right to be.
    - deltasevennine 4y ago
      > Demand for art is far from saturated. Most people have vivid imagination and would like some physical representation of that. For the dozen of amateur creatives there are nearly as many who wish they could get access and have the time to learn a way to express. That's not demand for art. That's demand for learning to become an artist. It's like saying people wanting to become farmers is equivalent to more demand for food. No. Related? Yes. But they are not the same. >Anyway I think the scare about AI generated art is misplaced when it comes to art as a general concept. It is after all merely a tool and a tool can suppress art. Plenty of abstract art was already not limited to technical mastery and could have been made by a computer yet abstract art didn’t disappear and artists weren’t displaced. You can think this all you want. But you can also project the current trends of technology into the future and envision a future where AI creates art better and faster then ANY human on the face of the earth. Then take that AI and apply it to programming, decision making, car driving and every other occupation that right now only humans can do. Notice how I just made a realistic projection? I didn't say whether it was scary or horrible. I just made a realistic projection and THAT projection itself should give ANYONE pause about the future of humanity. You are way to optimistic. I leave it to you to fill in what the projection means for us. A lot of people are just like "Oh we'll just switch to UBI, and AI will create a utopia". Yeah, that's not a realistic projection. Unlike my projection, this is just a random shot in the dark. Given that utopia and UBI never successfully existed on such a massive scale yet, such a transition should also give you pause. Additionally UBI is dangerously similar to communism which is in itself questionable. >The Japanese and Korean illustrators scare however is not misplaced. It comes from how the industry is structured No it's from how reality is structured. If some machine does your job better than you then you become redundant. No amount of industrial structuring can make this FACT not true. >These people are scared for their livelihood and they probably are right to be. You should be scared as well. AI targets almost every job. Art is just the first to fall.
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ipaddr 4y ago

That's what they said about sheet music. Bring music into the home was not sometime artists who performed live wanted any part of because it was feared that people wouldn't want to go out. The same was said about recorded music, radio. In the end it allowed more wealth and created more demand for music. There will be more demand for art.

robotastronaut 4y ago
It’s not the same at all. You don’t bring sheet music home and tell it to write a brand new symphony in the style of Beethoven.
deltasevennine 4y ago
Art demand is already saturated. It's in everything you see, from websites, to graphics for news stories to the industrial design of all the products you see. AI art is not going to cause more demand for art given that art is everywhere. More demand for art is like saying more demand for air, more demand for oxygen. Demand is saturated and so is supply. What's happening here is similar to outsourcing. Jobs are going to another place, just not a real place and it isn't people replacing your job. Your analogy is biased. You picked a specific example of new technology being "not bad". How about picking an example of technology being bad? Plenty of analogies in the opposite direction. Singular examples and analogies are not proof of anything.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  Demand for art is far from saturated. Most people have vivid imagination and would like some physical representation of that. For the dozen of amateur creatives there are nearly as many who wish they could get access and have the time to learn a way to express. Anyway I think the scare about AI generated art is misplaced when it comes to art as a general concept. It is after all merely a tool and a tool can suppress art. Plenty of abstract art was already not limited to technical mastery and could have been made by a computer yet abstract art didn’t disappear and artists weren’t displaced. The Japanese and Korean illustrators scare however is not misplaced. It comes from how the industry is structured. For every credited artists or directors, you have a whole team of assistants and illustrators who have a technical role and produce parts of the image imitating the desired style. This, I could see replace by AI and as it is the entry level position for a career in the field, it would significantly modify its functioning. These people are scared for their livelihood and they probably are right to be.
  - deltasevennine 4y ago
    > Demand for art is far from saturated. Most people have vivid imagination and would like some physical representation of that. For the dozen of amateur creatives there are nearly as many who wish they could get access and have the time to learn a way to express. That's not demand for art. That's demand for learning to become an artist. It's like saying people wanting to become farmers is equivalent to more demand for food. No. Related? Yes. But they are not the same. >Anyway I think the scare about AI generated art is misplaced when it comes to art as a general concept. It is after all merely a tool and a tool can suppress art. Plenty of abstract art was already not limited to technical mastery and could have been made by a computer yet abstract art didn’t disappear and artists weren’t displaced. You can think this all you want. But you can also project the current trends of technology into the future and envision a future where AI creates art better and faster then ANY human on the face of the earth. Then take that AI and apply it to programming, decision making, car driving and every other occupation that right now only humans can do. Notice how I just made a realistic projection? I didn't say whether it was scary or horrible. I just made a realistic projection and THAT projection itself should give ANYONE pause about the future of humanity. You are way to optimistic. I leave it to you to fill in what the projection means for us. A lot of people are just like "Oh we'll just switch to UBI, and AI will create a utopia". Yeah, that's not a realistic projection. Unlike my projection, this is just a random shot in the dark. Given that utopia and UBI never successfully existed on such a massive scale yet, such a transition should also give you pause. Additionally UBI is dangerously similar to communism which is in itself questionable. >The Japanese and Korean illustrators scare however is not misplaced. It comes from how the industry is structured No it's from how reality is structured. If some machine does your job better than you then you become redundant. No amount of industrial structuring can make this FACT not true. >These people are scared for their livelihood and they probably are right to be. You should be scared as well. AI targets almost every job. Art is just the first to fall.

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