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Creating a specific model from one artist shortly after their death is just plain gross and deserves backlash. It's not a good proxy to talking or thinking abou

Creating a specific model from one artist shortly after their death is just plain gross and deserves backlash. It's not a good proxy to talking or thinking about these issues more carefully. I think there is a big difference between feeding an AI model a wide swath of an art style like anime and creating and using a model. Taking one persons particular work and style and copying in competition or near competition with that person is something that I don't think is inevitable and something I would be happy to see the expansion of legal protection for. I know I will get downvoted since HN hates legal protection for artists, but I just don't see the societal benefit from allowing an individual human to be replicated by AI without their consent.

deltasevennine 4y ago
I sympathize with you and I won't vote you down. However I do think that the issue is much bigger then a moral issue. Realize that AI art will become better then human art. It's the trend. If AI art is better than what humans can make then this is more than a simple moral issue.... basically the inevitable future is that the entire occupation of "art" will be steam rolled and 99% of what's out there will become computer generated. Morals be damned, it won't even be a factor. A bunch of scholarly types trying to quantify the rightness and wrongness of something isn't going to mean jack when the power to do create art is so easy and trivial. In fact the morals will shift with the culture and technology and it will be a violent shift. People getting angry here is just the beginning of bigger conflicts in the future. If AI keeps improving things will stabilize into an age of humanity where original art is but a cheap commodity, but that age is not one that will arrive soon, the step before that is violence. The even scarier part is that it's not just art that's being targeted here. Art is just one of the first victims.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  That's what they said about sheet music. Bring music into the home was not sometime artists who performed live wanted any part of because it was feared that people wouldn't want to go out. The same was said about recorded music, radio. In the end it allowed more wealth and created more demand for music. There will be more demand for art.
  - robotastronaut 4y ago
    It’s not the same at all. You don’t bring sheet music home and tell it to write a brand new symphony in the style of Beethoven.
  - deltasevennine 4y ago
    Art demand is already saturated. It's in everything you see, from websites, to graphics for news stories to the industrial design of all the products you see. AI art is not going to cause more demand for art given that art is everywhere. More demand for art is like saying more demand for air, more demand for oxygen. Demand is saturated and so is supply. What's happening here is similar to outsourcing. Jobs are going to another place, just not a real place and it isn't people replacing your job. Your analogy is biased. You picked a specific example of new technology being "not bad". How about picking an example of technology being bad? Plenty of analogies in the opposite direction. Singular examples and analogies are not proof of anything.
    - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
      Demand for art is far from saturated. Most people have vivid imagination and would like some physical representation of that. For the dozen of amateur creatives there are nearly as many who wish they could get access and have the time to learn a way to express. Anyway I think the scare about AI generated art is misplaced when it comes to art as a general concept. It is after all merely a tool and a tool can suppress art. Plenty of abstract art was already not limited to technical mastery and could have been made by a computer yet abstract art didn’t disappear and artists weren’t displaced. The Japanese and Korean illustrators scare however is not misplaced. It comes from how the industry is structured. For every credited artists or directors, you have a whole team of assistants and illustrators who have a technical role and produce parts of the image imitating the desired style. This, I could see replace by AI and as it is the entry level position for a career in the field, it would significantly modify its functioning. These people are scared for their livelihood and they probably are right to be.
      - deltasevennine 4y ago
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deltasevennine 4y ago

I sympathize with you and I won't vote you down. However I do think that the issue is much bigger then a moral issue. Realize that AI art will become better then human art. It's the trend. If AI art is better than what humans can make then this is more than a simple moral issue.... basically the inevitable future is that the entire occupation of "art" will be steam rolled and 99% of what's out there will become computer generated. Morals be damned, it won't even be a factor. A bunch of scholarly types trying to quantify the rightness and wrongness of something isn't going to mean jack when the power to do create art is so easy and trivial. In fact the morals will shift with the culture and technology and it will be a violent shift. People getting angry here is just the beginning of bigger conflicts in the future. If AI keeps improving things will stabilize into an age of humanity where original art is but a cheap commodity, but that age is not one that will arrive soon, the step before that is violence. The even scarier part is that it's not just art that's being targeted here. Art is just one of the first victims.

ipaddr 4y ago
That's what they said about sheet music. Bring music into the home was not sometime artists who performed live wanted any part of because it was feared that people wouldn't want to go out. The same was said about recorded music, radio. In the end it allowed more wealth and created more demand for music. There will be more demand for art.
- robotastronaut 4y ago
  It’s not the same at all. You don’t bring sheet music home and tell it to write a brand new symphony in the style of Beethoven.
- deltasevennine 4y ago
  Art demand is already saturated. It's in everything you see, from websites, to graphics for news stories to the industrial design of all the products you see. AI art is not going to cause more demand for art given that art is everywhere. More demand for art is like saying more demand for air, more demand for oxygen. Demand is saturated and so is supply. What's happening here is similar to outsourcing. Jobs are going to another place, just not a real place and it isn't people replacing your job. Your analogy is biased. You picked a specific example of new technology being "not bad". How about picking an example of technology being bad? Plenty of analogies in the opposite direction. Singular examples and analogies are not proof of anything.
  - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
    Demand for art is far from saturated. Most people have vivid imagination and would like some physical representation of that. For the dozen of amateur creatives there are nearly as many who wish they could get access and have the time to learn a way to express. Anyway I think the scare about AI generated art is misplaced when it comes to art as a general concept. It is after all merely a tool and a tool can suppress art. Plenty of abstract art was already not limited to technical mastery and could have been made by a computer yet abstract art didn’t disappear and artists weren’t displaced. The Japanese and Korean illustrators scare however is not misplaced. It comes from how the industry is structured. For every credited artists or directors, you have a whole team of assistants and illustrators who have a technical role and produce parts of the image imitating the desired style. This, I could see replace by AI and as it is the entry level position for a career in the field, it would significantly modify its functioning. These people are scared for their livelihood and they probably are right to be.
    - deltasevennine 4y ago
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