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I know these don't map 1-to-1 on real natural synapses, but let's say you can magically replace all your natural synapses in a brain with this. What would be th

by POiNTx 4y ago

I know these don't map 1-to-1 on real natural synapses, but let's say you can magically replace all your natural synapses in a brain with this. What would be the experienced effect? Would you be able to think faster, or would perceived time slow down? Or something else?

IIAOPSW 4y ago
Here's a partial answer. The perception of time always happens at one second per second.
miovoid 4y ago
Imagine a game world, where all your opponents 30000 times slower, 30000 times less energy efficient. Time and energy central resources in this game, which cannot be faked anyhow. Even if nuclear fusion or antimatter energy sources are everywhere.
- manholio 4y ago
  Sounds like a very boring game. The two races are basically distinct, just like the human race is distinct from geology. For all we know, Earth's geology might be sentient already.
netsharc 4y ago
I wonder if a human's "refresh rate" has been evolutionary optimized for its environment. Maybe there's no need to evaluate things 30000x faster if our bodies can't react that fast. I guess it would make for faster reaction times, e.g. when driving: driver in front of you hits the brakes, the vision signal enters your brain with the same delay (are optic nerves synapses too?), but I guess the difference is your brain would be able to process the meaning of the change (the red lights coming on, the car getting larger in your vision) a lot faster. The brain then sends a signal for the foot to react, but the amount of time it will take for the foot to move will be the same as normal since the signal takes the same time to reach the foot. I imagine at 30000x, you would notice that it's taking very very long for the foot to move. To notice it would mean to have feedback from the skin inside your socks/pants that the foot/leg is moving against your sock/pants, and the brain will probably think that feedback is taking forever after it sent the signal.
- JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
  Interestingly our bodies can increase the refresh rate and processing of smaller slices of time when needed. I remember an experiment scientists did dropping people from a bungee with an led display that had a display rate too high or fast for normal humans to see it. During the drop they could see the number it was displaying. :)
  - kjeetgill 4y ago
    Huh, I've heard about this study but recall them having the opposite conclusion. Edit: I think this is the study we're thinking of. http://psychologyrich.blogspot.com/2011/04/does-bungee-jump-slow-down-subjective.html?m=1 http://psychologyrich.blogspot.com/2011/04/does-bungee-jump-... They couldn't see the flickering screen any better even though their subjective experience of the duration was longer.
    - JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
      I have to admit you may be right. I can’t find any other paper that contradicts this paper. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0001295 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... I don’t know how I got the opposite idea from the show I was watching. They were doing the experiment and I swear they said the people could see the numbers better. Perhaps if I had been bungee jumping while watching the show… Fascinatingly, it seems that it is the perception of time that increases and with it the recording of information. https://www.npr.org/transcripts/129112147 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/129112147 ABUMRAD: In that instant, our memories go wide open. Mr. EAGLEMAN: Because thats what memory is for. Its for when everything hits the fan. You want to write it down and remember it. ABUMRAD: So all of it goes right to your hard drive - the clouds, the feeling of the air. Oh look, theres a guy in a blue shirt. Mr. EAGLEMAN: So when you read that back out, the experience feels like it must have taken a very long time. KRULWICH: Hmmm. Mr. EAGLEMAN: It must have. KRULWICH: Normally, the trivial stuff gets dumped but in this situation, it gets written. ABUMRAD: And then you realize how much trivial stuff is in there.
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by POiNTx 4y ago

IIAOPSW 4y ago

Here's a partial answer. The perception of time always happens at one second per second.

miovoid 4y ago

Imagine a game world, where all your opponents 30000 times slower, 30000 times less energy efficient. Time and energy central resources in this game, which cannot be faked anyhow. Even if nuclear fusion or antimatter energy sources are everywhere.

manholio 4y ago
Sounds like a very boring game. The two races are basically distinct, just like the human race is distinct from geology. For all we know, Earth's geology might be sentient already.

netsharc 4y ago

I wonder if a human's "refresh rate" has been evolutionary optimized for its environment. Maybe there's no need to evaluate things 30000x faster if our bodies can't react that fast. I guess it would make for faster reaction times, e.g. when driving: driver in front of you hits the brakes, the vision signal enters your brain with the same delay (are optic nerves synapses too?), but I guess the difference is your brain would be able to process the meaning of the change (the red lights coming on, the car getting larger in your vision) a lot faster. The brain then sends a signal for the foot to react, but the amount of time it will take for the foot to move will be the same as normal since the signal takes the same time to reach the foot. I imagine at 30000x, you would notice that it's taking very very long for the foot to move. To notice it would mean to have feedback from the skin inside your socks/pants that the foot/leg is moving against your sock/pants, and the brain will probably think that feedback is taking forever after it sent the signal.

JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
Interestingly our bodies can increase the refresh rate and processing of smaller slices of time when needed. I remember an experiment scientists did dropping people from a bungee with an led display that had a display rate too high or fast for normal humans to see it. During the drop they could see the number it was displaying. :)
- kjeetgill 4y ago
  Huh, I've heard about this study but recall them having the opposite conclusion. Edit: I think this is the study we're thinking of. http://psychologyrich.blogspot.com/2011/04/does-bungee-jump-slow-down-subjective.html?m=1 http://psychologyrich.blogspot.com/2011/04/does-bungee-jump-... They couldn't see the flickering screen any better even though their subjective experience of the duration was longer.
  - JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
    I have to admit you may be right. I can’t find any other paper that contradicts this paper. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0001295 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... I don’t know how I got the opposite idea from the show I was watching. They were doing the experiment and I swear they said the people could see the numbers better. Perhaps if I had been bungee jumping while watching the show… Fascinatingly, it seems that it is the perception of time that increases and with it the recording of information. https://www.npr.org/transcripts/129112147 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/129112147 ABUMRAD: In that instant, our memories go wide open. Mr. EAGLEMAN: Because thats what memory is for. Its for when everything hits the fan. You want to write it down and remember it. ABUMRAD: So all of it goes right to your hard drive - the clouds, the feeling of the air. Oh look, theres a guy in a blue shirt. Mr. EAGLEMAN: So when you read that back out, the experience feels like it must have taken a very long time. KRULWICH: Hmmm. Mr. EAGLEMAN: It must have. KRULWICH: Normally, the trivial stuff gets dumped but in this situation, it gets written. ABUMRAD: And then you realize how much trivial stuff is in there.
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