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> What he said represents quite common black nationalist views and were espoused by most Black Power activists in the 60s. Those views are still highly relevant

> What he said represents quite common black nationalist views and were espoused by most Black Power activists in the 60s. Those views are still highly relevant in the black community today, due to things like this[0], promoted by popular thinkers like Prof. James Small. Yes, they can be hurtful, but I believe the proper response is to make the sports and music contracts transparent and re-do them so they don't screw over black talent, as Kanye says, to address the underlying distrust, and rebuild proper ties between the Jewish and Black communities. This reads not like you disagree with whether or not its antisemitic, but rather that you're justifying tolerance of some antisemitism on the basis of it being a common black nationalist view. Which I don't find acceptable. I won't tolerate ethnic or racial prejudice. > I still view it as my (and our) duty to address those grievances; we can address the distrust between communities afterwards once they're solved. That's entirely possible without also tolerating hatred. We can say both that Ye is wrong to be antisemitic _and_ agree that the music industry is exploitative.

concinds 4y ago
It's not about supporting or tolerating views, it's about empathizing with people who reached the wrong conclusion based on positive intentions. It makes me uncomfortable to write people off when their pain is legitimate. From what I can see, most people who support Kanye are uncomfortable with the way he said it, but support his crusade against labels and distributors. Most (not all) of the people who oppose Kanye don't give a shit about labels or distributors beyond lip service, and are themselves exploitative (like Ari Emmanuel, who IMO contributed more to antisemitism than Kanye ever could). These people are not motivated by principles of tolerance, they're just trying to bury the issue. It's easy for me to choose where to stand, and I'm perfectly comfortable with my choice. > We can say both that Ye is wrong to be antisemitic _and_ agree that the music industry is exploitative. I say both too. But on the chessboard, sometimes you need to move pieces you don't want to. Rhetoric which is already extremely widespread doesn't bother me much; systematic and institutional discrimination against some of the people I admire most, bothers me highly. Fixing those industries is hard enough, and I don't want to make it any harder for him by joining the mob. I'll take issue with his comments once his fight is won.

concinds 4y ago

It's not about supporting or tolerating views, it's about empathizing with people who reached the wrong conclusion based on positive intentions. It makes me uncomfortable to write people off when their pain is legitimate. From what I can see, most people who support Kanye are uncomfortable with the way he said it, but support his crusade against labels and distributors. Most (not all) of the people who oppose Kanye don't give a shit about labels or distributors beyond lip service, and are themselves exploitative (like Ari Emmanuel, who IMO contributed more to antisemitism than Kanye ever could). These people are not motivated by principles of tolerance, they're just trying to bury the issue. It's easy for me to choose where to stand, and I'm perfectly comfortable with my choice. > We can say both that Ye is wrong to be antisemitic _and_ agree that the music industry is exploitative. I say both too. But on the chessboard, sometimes you need to move pieces you don't want to. Rhetoric which is already extremely widespread doesn't bother me much; systematic and institutional discrimination against some of the people I admire most, bothers me highly. Fixing those industries is hard enough, and I don't want to make it any harder for him by joining the mob. I'll take issue with his comments once his fight is won.