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> doubles down on money power, to a point where only money is power What has he said or done that indicates he is pushing for such a system? Are you suggesting

> doubles down on money power, to a point where only money is power What has he said or done that indicates he is pushing for such a system? Are you suggesting the mere fact of his purchasing a company and being a billionaire means he is pushing for such a system or was there something else he said or did? I'm asking genuinely because I may very well have missed some important news item or other piece of information. What's your basis for this assertion?

RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago
Looks like you were downvoted ... no response. You know what that means.
- xwowsersx 4y ago
  Hehe indeed
  - dathinab 4y ago
    Wtf, how fast am I supposed to respond to you and why should I bother down-voting you? Anyway, no it has nothing to do with him buying Twitter. It about the thinks he himself has tweeted in the past, and how he acted in the past especially wrt politics. Should be obvious if you had followed him in the past with an objective mind and don't just blindly assume things, but I guess that's to much to ask (EDIT: the blindly assuming things, the other part is opinionated)
    - xwowsersx 4y ago
      Oh I was only confirming the downvote, not the lack of reply. But "it should be obvious.." is the Proof by Assertion fallacy. It's not obvious to me so I asked you what your basis is for saying this. Since I haven't followed Musk to the degree you apparently have or come to your conclusion based on the amount I have followed him, can you point me to some specific tweets or actions of his that substantiate your assertion?
      - dathinab 4y ago
        Yes, it's not supper obvious and that was a bad choice of words. But it's also not hidden. I which I had the time to point out a (long) list of twitter tweets which paint the picture, but I don't have that. And there is also the problem that he (understandable) deleted some of his tweets. But pointing out a specific tweet is pointless as someone could always come up with some arbitrary reason why this specific tweet means something else. It's about the broader picture. To name some examples: - He is currently actively trying to undermine labor protection law (as well as contractual clauses he agreed to when buying twitter) by masquerading mass firings at twitter to be supposedly all based on failed performance reviews. But if you take a closer look at 1) `the method used for the reviews` and 2) `who is let of` (especially in context of him being a petty person and had personal beef with some of the people on twitter due to how he (verbally) attacked twitter in the past) it is very clearly that it's not related to performance. (But US labor protection law is at best bad joke, so...) - His repeated stance against labor and/or buyer protection in other cases, too. Like wrt. Tesla factories. - Him repeatedly abusing his influence to hinder improvements to public transportation, often buy pushing red hearing projects which do only improve the situation for a few wealthy people but can be used as an excuse to kill/hinder other public transportation projects. One of the examples would be his boring tunnel company promising fixing the traffic situation but instead build fast lanes for a few wealthy people while making is majorly harder to fix the traffic situation for the general public. (He knew what he was doing.) It might not be obvious how this example matter. this But they increase how companies can take advantage of the general population both in ways which reduce the money they effectively have and reduce other ways they can take political influence. And they are just some random examples I can drop of my hat before going to bed which I remember good enough to write down, there are many more.
- tyrust 4y ago
  > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago
    > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. > It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. > it makes boring reading. > it makes boring > boring > boring > boring Oh my! HackerNews has an escape hatch for banhammering something they idealogically don't like! Thanks for making me aware.
tyrust 4y ago
Everyone who signs up for Twitter Blue (ie pays $3/month) should get an authentication checkmark — Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 10, 2022 He has since deleted the Tweet, but it is an indicator of how out of touch he is when it comes to providing a free and equitable platform. https://euronewsweek.co.uk/tech/elon-musk-hints-at-paid-twitter-verification/ https://euronewsweek.co.uk/tech/elon-musk-hints-at-paid-twit...
- from 4y ago
  So... only vaguely "famous" people should be able to get verified? The current system is much worse than that, you can find PR firms online right now that charge $5-10k to get an article written about you in Forbes, come up with a fake Spotify profile so that you're a "musician," etc so that you can be verified.

RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago

Looks like you were downvoted ... no response. You know what that means.

xwowsersx 4y ago
Hehe indeed
- dathinab 4y ago
  Wtf, how fast am I supposed to respond to you and why should I bother down-voting you? Anyway, no it has nothing to do with him buying Twitter. It about the thinks he himself has tweeted in the past, and how he acted in the past especially wrt politics. Should be obvious if you had followed him in the past with an objective mind and don't just blindly assume things, but I guess that's to much to ask (EDIT: the blindly assuming things, the other part is opinionated)
  - xwowsersx 4y ago
    Oh I was only confirming the downvote, not the lack of reply. But "it should be obvious.." is the Proof by Assertion fallacy. It's not obvious to me so I asked you what your basis is for saying this. Since I haven't followed Musk to the degree you apparently have or come to your conclusion based on the amount I have followed him, can you point me to some specific tweets or actions of his that substantiate your assertion?
    - dathinab 4y ago
      Yes, it's not supper obvious and that was a bad choice of words. But it's also not hidden. I which I had the time to point out a (long) list of twitter tweets which paint the picture, but I don't have that. And there is also the problem that he (understandable) deleted some of his tweets. But pointing out a specific tweet is pointless as someone could always come up with some arbitrary reason why this specific tweet means something else. It's about the broader picture. To name some examples: - He is currently actively trying to undermine labor protection law (as well as contractual clauses he agreed to when buying twitter) by masquerading mass firings at twitter to be supposedly all based on failed performance reviews. But if you take a closer look at 1) `the method used for the reviews` and 2) `who is let of` (especially in context of him being a petty person and had personal beef with some of the people on twitter due to how he (verbally) attacked twitter in the past) it is very clearly that it's not related to performance. (But US labor protection law is at best bad joke, so...) - His repeated stance against labor and/or buyer protection in other cases, too. Like wrt. Tesla factories. - Him repeatedly abusing his influence to hinder improvements to public transportation, often buy pushing red hearing projects which do only improve the situation for a few wealthy people but can be used as an excuse to kill/hinder other public transportation projects. One of the examples would be his boring tunnel company promising fixing the traffic situation but instead build fast lanes for a few wealthy people while making is majorly harder to fix the traffic situation for the general public. (He knew what he was doing.) It might not be obvious how this example matter. this But they increase how companies can take advantage of the general population both in ways which reduce the money they effectively have and reduce other ways they can take political influence. And they are just some random examples I can drop of my hat before going to bed which I remember good enough to write down, there are many more.
tyrust 4y ago
> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago
  > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. > It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. > it makes boring reading. > it makes boring > boring > boring > boring Oh my! HackerNews has an escape hatch for banhammering something they idealogically don't like! Thanks for making me aware.

tyrust 4y ago

Everyone who signs up for Twitter Blue (ie pays $3/month) should get an authentication checkmark — Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 10, 2022 He has since deleted the Tweet, but it is an indicator of how out of touch he is when it comes to providing a free and equitable platform. https://euronewsweek.co.uk/tech/elon-musk-hints-at-paid-twitter-verification/ https://euronewsweek.co.uk/tech/elon-musk-hints-at-paid-twit...

from 4y ago
So... only vaguely "famous" people should be able to get verified? The current system is much worse than that, you can find PR firms online right now that charge $5-10k to get an article written about you in Forbes, come up with a fake Spotify profile so that you're a "musician," etc so that you can be verified.