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The way he got bored running Tesla and SpaceX for ~20 years? I really don't get where this meme of "impulsive, erratic, hotheaded Musk" comes from given he dem
by kjksf 4y ago
The way he got bored running Tesla and SpaceX for ~20 years?
I really don't get where this meme of "impulsive, erratic, hotheaded Musk" comes from given he demonstrated ability to stick with a business in the toughest of times.
Tesla was literally days away from bankruptcy at one time and Musk made it work.
After first 3 failed launches he was about to run out of money and yet he financed another launch, which worked.
He hasn't had a business failure yet.
Is that a guy who gets bored and moves on to something else?
- edmundsauto 4y agoThose companies are solving problems with logistics and engineering. Twitter is fundamentally trying to solve a people problem, which is much fuzzier. Every impression I've had from "public Elon" is that he is absolutely wretched at people-problems-at-scale. I'm also not sure there is any human ever who has been able to solve people problems at Twitter's scale.
- permo-w 4y agoJohn Maynard Keynes
- edmundsauto 4y agoCould you elaborate? He wrote a book that many considered important, but how specifically did he solve people problems? To me it sounds like he understood emergent behaviors in economics, but didn’t those economicists also believe in the rational actor? That is not an accurate assumption about humanity.
- permo-w 4y agoKeynes’ solutions to human problems on a macro scale lifted millions upon millions of people out of poverty in the post-war era keynesianism eventually failed because corporations and large capital holders will not act rationally towards the whole when they have interests that benefit themselves. so I suppose you’re right. but that doesn’t change the fact that for a good 30 years his ideas and solutions made life better for a huge number of people
- ipqk 4y agoThe Boring Company is a failure. He's had many other failures within companies: automated driving, Tesla solar panels Though he's the CEO of SpaceX, it's really run by Gwynne Shotwell. You look at his wikipedia, and there's like 10 different things he's currently involved with, so yes, he looks like a guy that gets bored and moves on the other things.
- ComplexSystems 4y agoI don't think it makes sense to compare a giant, multibillionaire organization like Twitter to something like the Boring Company, which was never really intended to be a main venture.
- xiphias2 4y agoWhy would the boring company be a failure? I expect creating tunnels 20 years from now as important as right now. Traffic jams are not going away magically, but automation can bring the cost of creating tunnels down, which can increase the total market significantly. Time is helping the company (just like other projects Elon has started), so there's no rush to scale up and turn profit.
- mola 4y agoHow are tunnels solving traffic jams?
- nequo 4y agoNot solving but alleviating, by rerouting transiting traffic through bypass routes underground. For example, in Washington DC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9th_and_12th_Street_Expressways https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9th_and_12th_Street_Expressway...
- esclerofilo 4y agoBut does rerouting traffic through other bypasses actually alleviate traffic? > Motorways and bypasses generate traffic, that is, produce extra traffic, partly by inducing people to travel who would not otherwise have done so by making the new route more convenient than the old, partly by people who go out of their direct route to enjoy the greater convenience of the new road, and partly by people who use the towns bypassed because they are more convenient for shopping and visits when through traffic has been removed From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand
- tenpies 4y ago> The way he got bored running Tesla and SpaceX for ~20 years? For all practical purposes, doesn't Shotwell run SpaceX and Elon just shows up to give "input", whenever the capital raise du-jour is necessary, and to do the marketing and PR? It does seem to me he will need another Shotwell for either Tesla or Twitter, though. You can be CEO of as many companies as you want, but if the CEO is also doing the Operations part of the work, then you're constrained to pretty much one company at a time. I wonder if we'll see Jack come back to Twitter.
- lutorm 4y agoFor all practical purposes, doesn't Shotwell run SpaceX and Elon just shows up to give "input", whenever the capital raise du-jour is necessary, and to do the marketing and PR? No.
- RavingGoat 4y agoSo no he doesn't give "input"? Shotwell is definitely in charge.
- lutorm 4y agoIs that so?
- thenewthotness 4y agoSo the best argument you have here is that Musk is good at hiring competent people? Sounds to me like this makes him an excellent CEO.
- mhh__ 4y agoMusk of today does not feel like the one of even 5 years ago.
- cameronh90 4y agoHe called that diver "pedo guy" 4 years ago. I don't feel like Musk has really changed, he's always been a bit nuts. He just has a bigger reach now.
- sidibe 4y agoAutonomous Tesla's were also ready by the end of the year 5+ years ago. He's always been the way he is, the difference is the number of people who have caught on to his schtick by now.
- biscottigelato 4y agoFalcon Heavy was delayed for 8 years. Launching another one and simultaneously landing 3 rockets there after. Hard stuff takes time. People with no patience and perseverance never gets big stuff done. Musk is not the same.
- acjohnson55 4y agoThat remains a turning point for me.
- sgt 4y agoDid we ever find out if was right about the diver?
- replygirl 4y agohow about i unfoundedly call you a nonce and we can let the people around you debate whether it's true for the rest of your life?
- dghlsakjg 4y agoMusk admitted in court that the term ‘pedo guy’ was not meant to be taken as a literal accusation of pedophilia. Basically Musk said that he was just insulting him in a general sense and that the man was not a pedophile
- d23 4y ago> I really don't get where this meme of "impulsive, erratic, hotheaded Musk" comes from His behavior like… every day and the fact that he apparently accidentally just bought a $44B company doesn’t at least let you see where people are coming from?
- philosopher1234 4y agoThese musk heads are insane. The projection is ridiculous, portraying the characterization of musk as impulsive as a "meme" when they are so deeply steeped in reality denial... drives me insane. They need a serious correction, crypto style.
- notfromhere 4y agoPeople have Dorsey a lot of shit for being part time CEO of Twitter and Square. Not sure how an even more split CEO is supposed to make things better
- randoglando 4y ago> I really don't get where this meme of "impulsive, erratic, hotheaded Musk" comes from The same guy who tweeted "Funding secured". His tweets about starting boring company, and buying twitter. His email exchanges that are now public. He is VERY impulsive and erratic (maybe not hotheaded). All his tweets on Bitcoin: https://www.rockwelltrading.com/articles/coffee-with-markus/elon-musks-tweets-about-bitcoin/ https://www.rockwelltrading.com/articles/coffee-with-markus/...
- maxbond 4y ago> He hasn't had a business failure yet. I don't know why people say this when stuff goes wrong for him all the time. He literally just failed to get out of this Twitter deal.
- emkoemko 4y agothere are people worshipping him like he is Jesus, something is really wrong here, how do people say he has not had a business fail? seriously SpaceX was a failure without the government stepping in at the last moment even he admits it.. look how he scammed the US government to keep Tesla going... i guess these are not "real" failures but from his own words government shouldn't be subsidizing business .... never mind all the failures he has had.
- madeofpalk 4y agoTwitter has always been a failed business, which he bought, so...?