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Ok, I bit. At 6:50 he explicitly decides to "call out" all Jewish people, and makes a claim that he's a victim of their behaviour. > "And what I'm doing, I'm c

Ok, I bit. At 6:50 he explicitly decides to "call out" all Jewish people, and makes a claim that he's a victim of their behaviour. > "And what I'm doing, I'm calling out the Jewish community as a whole to say. People say to me, all, we grew up on Ye. Talk to your brother, ask him why is Ye upset? Everybody, all they [the Jewish Community] want to do is silence and shoot the messenger." That's plainly antisemitism.

luxuryballs 4y ago
At the end of the interview he clarifies what he meant, he’s frustrated with apparent nepotism within an industry. I would be shocked if he claimed that he had a problem with a randomly chosen person who happened to be Jewish, it doesn’t make sense.
- dleslie 4y ago
  This is fairly clear to me, I don't need to hear his later equivocations: > And what I'm doing, I'm calling out the Jewish community as a whole ... Imagine calling out an entire ethnicity for your woes, and being surprised that people find that offensive.
  - gffrd 4y ago
    “You people” never got anyone worked up, right?
wowokay 4y ago
If it is I think the term needs to be reviewed. In fact if people want to get sensitive about their racial identity then they need to focus on the actual words and tone. Especially when it seems like alot of the time people are called racist or sexist for sharing a viewpoint that in their view is accurate. For example, whenever I run into drivers that don’t react to a light change I have noticed it tends to be a woman with a phone in her hand. I’m sure someone would take issue with my experience listed above, but I feel like I should have the right to make such a comment without backlash, because in my experience that observation holds true. My point is I feel like context and history are important.
concinds 4y ago
I'm Jewish (feel free to believe me or not) and I disagree. I choose to ignore the overt bigotry and focus on addressing the underlying distrust. What he said represents quite common black nationalist views and were espoused by most Black Power activists in the 60s. Those views are still highly relevant in the black community today, due to things like this[0], promoted by popular thinkers like Prof. James Small. Yes, they can be hurtful, but I believe the proper response is to make the sports and music contracts transparent and re-do them so they don't screw over black talent, as Kanye says, to address the underlying distrust, and rebuild proper ties between the Jewish and Black communities. Conflict is sometimes healthier when it's out in the open and gets addressed, rather than repressed and buried. There's enormous dangers in following the "destroy Kanye" route; it makes everything worse, and the impulse to ban anyone who doesn't "talk right" will eventually lead to historic catastrophe as resentments get buried and build up, rather than getting hashed out. There's a huge difference to me between people with zero grievances (except being incels) turning to hate, versus being with huge legitimate historical and current grievances where I just disagree with how they express it. I still view it as my (and our) duty to address those grievances; we can address the distrust between communities afterwards once they're solved. [0]: https://www.972mag.com/%E2%80%9C2pac-killed-by-jewish-gangsters-using-hideous-tel-aviv-mob-technique%E2%80%9D/ https://www.972mag.com/%E2%80%9C2pac-killed-by-jewish-gangst...
- hackerlight 4y ago
  > I believe the proper response is to make the sports and music contracts transparent and re-do them so they don't screw over black talent Why would you assume there's anything wrong with the contracts? He has the burden of proof and he hasn't shown it. Kanye believes he is being victimized by everyone. It's typical narcissist behavior. When someone says that everyone is an asshole, then they're probably the asshole.
  - concinds 4y ago
    I assume there's something wrong with the contracts, because it's obvious to anyone following the industry, and it's been widely and thoroughly covered for decades (see links at the bottom or search the press, university publications, or ProQuest). It's true for all these contracts, and especially those with black artists and athletes. Kanye made specific points that the contracts are unfair, with 'talent' not being paid fairly, and having their creative freedom restricted. He also argues that control over distribution is essential, and black people are underrepresented both as record label owners, and as distributors, therefore leading to a huge power imbalance. All those facts are true without needing to go into the 'Jewish' stuff. People who focus on that controversy are helping these scum-of-the-earth industries survive for longer than they should. Artists should own their output. They need managers and agents, but those should be employees and contractors, not "owners". I personally don't care to psychoanalyze Kanye, it's none of my business and none of yours. He has objectively been victimized, and became successful in spite of it. I empathize with him and hope what he points out will be resolved. https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3gmjw/bad-deals-are-baked-into-the-way-the-music-industry-operates https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3gmjw/bad-deals-are-baked-i... https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55366694 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55366694 https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/music-industry-bad-contracts-summer-walker-1258695/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/music-industry...

luxuryballs 4y ago

At the end of the interview he clarifies what he meant, he’s frustrated with apparent nepotism within an industry. I would be shocked if he claimed that he had a problem with a randomly chosen person who happened to be Jewish, it doesn’t make sense.

dleslie 4y ago
This is fairly clear to me, I don't need to hear his later equivocations: > And what I'm doing, I'm calling out the Jewish community as a whole ... Imagine calling out an entire ethnicity for your woes, and being surprised that people find that offensive.
- gffrd 4y ago
  “You people” never got anyone worked up, right?

wowokay 4y ago

If it is I think the term needs to be reviewed. In fact if people want to get sensitive about their racial identity then they need to focus on the actual words and tone. Especially when it seems like alot of the time people are called racist or sexist for sharing a viewpoint that in their view is accurate. For example, whenever I run into drivers that don’t react to a light change I have noticed it tends to be a woman with a phone in her hand. I’m sure someone would take issue with my experience listed above, but I feel like I should have the right to make such a comment without backlash, because in my experience that observation holds true. My point is I feel like context and history are important.

concinds 4y ago

I'm Jewish (feel free to believe me or not) and I disagree. I choose to ignore the overt bigotry and focus on addressing the underlying distrust. What he said represents quite common black nationalist views and were espoused by most Black Power activists in the 60s. Those views are still highly relevant in the black community today, due to things like this[0], promoted by popular thinkers like Prof. James Small. Yes, they can be hurtful, but I believe the proper response is to make the sports and music contracts transparent and re-do them so they don't screw over black talent, as Kanye says, to address the underlying distrust, and rebuild proper ties between the Jewish and Black communities. Conflict is sometimes healthier when it's out in the open and gets addressed, rather than repressed and buried. There's enormous dangers in following the "destroy Kanye" route; it makes everything worse, and the impulse to ban anyone who doesn't "talk right" will eventually lead to historic catastrophe as resentments get buried and build up, rather than getting hashed out. There's a huge difference to me between people with zero grievances (except being incels) turning to hate, versus being with huge legitimate historical and current grievances where I just disagree with how they express it. I still view it as my (and our) duty to address those grievances; we can address the distrust between communities afterwards once they're solved. [0]: https://www.972mag.com/%E2%80%9C2pac-killed-by-jewish-gangsters-using-hideous-tel-aviv-mob-technique%E2%80%9D/ https://www.972mag.com/%E2%80%9C2pac-killed-by-jewish-gangst...

hackerlight 4y ago
> I believe the proper response is to make the sports and music contracts transparent and re-do them so they don't screw over black talent Why would you assume there's anything wrong with the contracts? He has the burden of proof and he hasn't shown it. Kanye believes he is being victimized by everyone. It's typical narcissist behavior. When someone says that everyone is an asshole, then they're probably the asshole.
- concinds 4y ago
  I assume there's something wrong with the contracts, because it's obvious to anyone following the industry, and it's been widely and thoroughly covered for decades (see links at the bottom or search the press, university publications, or ProQuest). It's true for all these contracts, and especially those with black artists and athletes. Kanye made specific points that the contracts are unfair, with 'talent' not being paid fairly, and having their creative freedom restricted. He also argues that control over distribution is essential, and black people are underrepresented both as record label owners, and as distributors, therefore leading to a huge power imbalance. All those facts are true without needing to go into the 'Jewish' stuff. People who focus on that controversy are helping these scum-of-the-earth industries survive for longer than they should. Artists should own their output. They need managers and agents, but those should be employees and contractors, not "owners". I personally don't care to psychoanalyze Kanye, it's none of my business and none of yours. He has objectively been victimized, and became successful in spite of it. I empathize with him and hope what he points out will be resolved. https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3gmjw/bad-deals-are-baked-into-the-way-the-music-industry-operates https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3gmjw/bad-deals-are-baked-i... https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55366694 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55366694 https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/music-industry-bad-contracts-summer-walker-1258695/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/music-industry...