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>It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car compan

>It’s amazing to me that the HN hive mind has decided that somehow one of the most successful people on the planet, who’s built a successful electric car company, a private rocketry company and was part of the people who laid foundation for a “payment system for the internet” is somehow doomed to fail in his new venture. It has been interesting to read it today. Fundamentally elon has simply called for politically neutral content moderation. I expect he's never going to allow calls to violence or incitement type things; who exactly thinks this is a bad decision? This is to solve the ongoing problem of censorship. Yet the people see the above as a nightmare scenario. So what exactly are we missing? Is giving the republicans their voice back and allowing them to speak really such a nightmare? I don't think these people are upset about this. I suspect it's not a nightmare scenario if the republicans getting the ability to speak back results in landslide elections in their favour. Like we are potentially seeing now in midterm polling. What if that's not the case. What if this is indeed a nightmare scenario? What exactly is the unsaid explanation? I don't see the cause for concern let alone it being a nightmare scenario.

ModernMech 4y ago
> I expect he's never going to allow calls to violence or incitement type things; who exactly thinks this is a bad decision? … Is giving the republicans their voice back and allowing them to speak really such a nightmare? Well let’s see… last time the former President was using his voice on Twitter, he was inciting and directing an insurrection against the government. So if Musk wants to reverse that ban, and Trump decides to continue his rhetoric which already caused violence (which he will because he hasn’t stopped since 1/6), then yeah, that’s a nightmare.
- incomingpain 4y ago
  >Well let’s see… last time the former President was using his voice on Twitter, he was inciting and directing an insurrection against the government. So if Musk wants to reverse that ban, and Trump decides to continue his rhetoric which already caused violence (which he will because he hasn’t stopped since 1/6), then yeah, that’s a nightmare. I'm not american and just an outside observer. I believe the republicans/trump would not agree with your assessment. There is certainly a huge irreconcilable divide on how January 6th is viewed on either side. Here's a left-wing viewpoint on the 'second american civil war': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_American_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_American_Civil_War Which certainly agrees with you. Lets not forget Hillary Clinton has always held Trump stole the election and she even reiterated a few days ago the republicans are planning to do it again: https://twitter.com/IndivisibleTeam/status/1583496354734538756 https://twitter.com/IndivisibleTeam/status/15834963547345387... Lets not forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict... 425 bills in 49 states the republicans pretty much universally didn't believe a free election occurred; so they want to restrict the vote and prevent people from voting for the democrats. More importantly the election in mere days will indicate to politicians exactly what the populous believes. When the democrats win midterms easily, it will be the people telling the republicans they aren't popular and democrats genuinely represent the will of the people. Do we even need to consider what the people are saying in the unlikely event republicans win midterms?
  - hairofadog 4y ago
    From inside I feel pretty certain that the Republicans will win decisively. The economy, inflation, and general stress levels are just too high right now for the party in power to stay in office. Not the outcome I'm hoping for, but the world is feeling pretty bitey lately. Here's a pretty good podcast on the topic, if you're interested: https://slate.com/podcasts/political-gabfest/2022/10/democrats-are-losing-their-polling-gains https://slate.com/podcasts/political-gabfest/2022/10/democra...
    - incomingpain 4y ago
      >From inside I feel pretty certain that the Republicans will win decisively. The economy, inflation, and general stress levels are just too high right now for the party in power to stay in office. Not the outcome I'm hoping for, but the world is feeling pretty bitey lately. So lets say the republicans win decisively as you predict. What does that mean, what do you think the populus is telling the democrats? Is it the people believe the election was stolen? Much akin to republican's clear response in the one link?
      - hairofadog 4y ago
        I don't know what link you’re referring to, but I think it just means that people are afraid they won’t be able to afford food, gas, or rent, and they think voting for the other party will somehow fix it. I definitely don’t think it has to do with bogus claims of a stolen election for anyone but people on the fringe. What do you think it means?
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    > There is certainly a huge irreconcilable divide on how January 6th is viewed on either side. Yes, insurrectionists typically see their actions as justified, and will frame them as such. What happened was an insurrection though, and the 1/6 committee and DOJ have done much to prove that. > Lets not forget Hillary Clinton has always held Trump stole the election She’s free to feel however she wants. But note she didn’t go to Twitter to foment insurrection. > she even reiterated a few days ago the republicans are planning to do it again Probably a safe bet, given Trump hasn’t even given up trying to steal the 2020 election.
deanCommie 4y ago
> Is giving the republicans their voice back and allowing them to speak really such a nightmare? I wasn't aware Republicans were being suppressed for their desire for a more conservative economic policy, smaller government, and lower taxes. Or...which Republican ideas do you see being suppressed online. Be specific :)
- incomingpain 4y ago
  >I wasn't aware Republicans were being suppressed for their desire for a more conservative economic policy, smaller government, and lower taxes. That would be a pretty simplistic view of the republicans. Sure seems to be a faulty generalization fallacy to me. >Or...which Republican ideas do you see being suppressed online. Not many anymore. They realized their voices were suppressed and moved to new platforms. Now their voices aren't suppressed and oh boy midterms not going well for the democrats.

ModernMech 4y ago

> I expect he's never going to allow calls to violence or incitement type things; who exactly thinks this is a bad decision? … Is giving the republicans their voice back and allowing them to speak really such a nightmare? Well let’s see… last time the former President was using his voice on Twitter, he was inciting and directing an insurrection against the government. So if Musk wants to reverse that ban, and Trump decides to continue his rhetoric which already caused violence (which he will because he hasn’t stopped since 1/6), then yeah, that’s a nightmare.

incomingpain 4y ago
>Well let’s see… last time the former President was using his voice on Twitter, he was inciting and directing an insurrection against the government. So if Musk wants to reverse that ban, and Trump decides to continue his rhetoric which already caused violence (which he will because he hasn’t stopped since 1/6), then yeah, that’s a nightmare. I'm not american and just an outside observer. I believe the republicans/trump would not agree with your assessment. There is certainly a huge irreconcilable divide on how January 6th is viewed on either side. Here's a left-wing viewpoint on the 'second american civil war': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_American_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_American_Civil_War Which certainly agrees with you. Lets not forget Hillary Clinton has always held Trump stole the election and she even reiterated a few days ago the republicans are planning to do it again: https://twitter.com/IndivisibleTeam/status/1583496354734538756 https://twitter.com/IndivisibleTeam/status/15834963547345387... Lets not forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict... 425 bills in 49 states the republicans pretty much universally didn't believe a free election occurred; so they want to restrict the vote and prevent people from voting for the democrats. More importantly the election in mere days will indicate to politicians exactly what the populous believes. When the democrats win midterms easily, it will be the people telling the republicans they aren't popular and democrats genuinely represent the will of the people. Do we even need to consider what the people are saying in the unlikely event republicans win midterms?
- hairofadog 4y ago
  From inside I feel pretty certain that the Republicans will win decisively. The economy, inflation, and general stress levels are just too high right now for the party in power to stay in office. Not the outcome I'm hoping for, but the world is feeling pretty bitey lately. Here's a pretty good podcast on the topic, if you're interested: https://slate.com/podcasts/political-gabfest/2022/10/democrats-are-losing-their-polling-gains https://slate.com/podcasts/political-gabfest/2022/10/democra...
  - incomingpain 4y ago
    >From inside I feel pretty certain that the Republicans will win decisively. The economy, inflation, and general stress levels are just too high right now for the party in power to stay in office. Not the outcome I'm hoping for, but the world is feeling pretty bitey lately. So lets say the republicans win decisively as you predict. What does that mean, what do you think the populus is telling the democrats? Is it the people believe the election was stolen? Much akin to republican's clear response in the one link?
    - hairofadog 4y ago
      I don't know what link you’re referring to, but I think it just means that people are afraid they won’t be able to afford food, gas, or rent, and they think voting for the other party will somehow fix it. I definitely don’t think it has to do with bogus claims of a stolen election for anyone but people on the fringe. What do you think it means?
- ModernMech 4y ago
  > There is certainly a huge irreconcilable divide on how January 6th is viewed on either side. Yes, insurrectionists typically see their actions as justified, and will frame them as such. What happened was an insurrection though, and the 1/6 committee and DOJ have done much to prove that. > Lets not forget Hillary Clinton has always held Trump stole the election She’s free to feel however she wants. But note she didn’t go to Twitter to foment insurrection. > she even reiterated a few days ago the republicans are planning to do it again Probably a safe bet, given Trump hasn’t even given up trying to steal the 2020 election.

deanCommie 4y ago

> Is giving the republicans their voice back and allowing them to speak really such a nightmare? I wasn't aware Republicans were being suppressed for their desire for a more conservative economic policy, smaller government, and lower taxes. Or...which Republican ideas do you see being suppressed online. Be specific :)

incomingpain 4y ago
>I wasn't aware Republicans were being suppressed for their desire for a more conservative economic policy, smaller government, and lower taxes. That would be a pretty simplistic view of the republicans. Sure seems to be a faulty generalization fallacy to me. >Or...which Republican ideas do you see being suppressed online. Not many anymore. They realized their voices were suppressed and moved to new platforms. Now their voices aren't suppressed and oh boy midterms not going well for the democrats.