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> Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece the

> Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. They didn’t even make a joke. They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. I am very afraid for the future of twitter now. Hate speech is going to run rampant on that platform now.

vdnkh 4y ago
Not to mention that the person who attacked Pelosi's husband with a hammer was also posting transphobic crap (along with a lot of other right-wing garbage). Hate online definitely has real world impact.
- gffrd 4y ago
  Hate anywhere has real world impact. There’s a lot of hate in the history books, 99% of it predating the internet. Are those that engage in hate online more or less likely to act on it than those who engage in person? Are these interactions compelling them to use their voice off-line?
- khazhoux 4y ago
  Is there any evidence he was specifically influenced and motivated by online rhetoric?
  - sarlalian 4y ago
    Yes
  - hackerlight 4y ago
    That's very common. There are a number of mass shooters in the US that targeted minorities who explicitly say in their manifesto or interrogation tape, that they were radicalized in online forums, and not offline.
mensetmanusman 4y ago
They were satirizing the confusion between sex and gender. Disagreement isn’t necessarily hate speech.
dbrueck 4y ago
> They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. This perfectly encapsulates the problem. So-called 'hate speech' is in the eye of the beholder and incredibly, just incredibly subjective.
luxuryballs 4y ago
saying it’s hate speech gives me Alice in Wonderland and 1984 vibes, 2+2=5 or you’re guilty and must be punished, regardless of what your senses tell you
mildmotive 4y ago
> They didn’t even make a joke. They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. It’s not a crime nor hate speech to acknowledge someone’s biological sex. That’s what we do in sports and when we select partners for example. Most, if not all heterosexual men would not consider a “trans woman” to be an actual woman. Our way of selecting partners is proof of that. To punish a natural, and biologically based viewpoint that most of humanity hold and follow is tyrannical and unsustainable.
- Zagill 4y ago
  How are we this far into the modern trans rights movement and people still haven't wrapped their brains around sex and gender being two distinct concepts?
  - junofan 4y ago
    It’s a distinction some guy just made up not too long ago. I can see why some people might not consider it a fact of the universe.
    - hackerlight 4y ago
      All categories are arbitrary distinctions that someone made up at some point, including the categories of biological sex, race, and your birth name. At the very least it would be bullying behavior for me to single you out and call you a different name or different racial group to what you actually are (as defined by the constructs that society has agreed upon).
      - fleddr 4y ago
        Biological sex is not a construct, it's a simple observable reality. Biological sex is factual and immutable.
        aiperson 4y ago
smcl 4y ago
klipt 4y ago
It's funny how "KillAllMen" trended on Twitter and that wasn't considered hate speech, but calling a woman a man is? Actually I guess that's consistent, if you think men are lesser beings who deserve to be killed, then it makes sense you would also think that the worst possible thing you can do to a woman is call them a man.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  There's some graffiti near where I live: "Trans rights are human rights!" Okay, great! And then on the next wall, in the same colour so presumably by the same people: "Kill all men!"
- fleddr 4y ago
  Exactly. Several types of deep hate, sometimes even death threats, are allowed on Twitter: general hate towards all men, all whites, specifically white men. It also matters who expresses the hate, more is allowed from non-whites, trans people, feminists, etc.
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the_doctah 4y ago
Stop desperately trying to change to definition of hate speech.

vdnkh 4y ago

Not to mention that the person who attacked Pelosi's husband with a hammer was also posting transphobic crap (along with a lot of other right-wing garbage). Hate online definitely has real world impact.

gffrd 4y ago
Hate anywhere has real world impact. There’s a lot of hate in the history books, 99% of it predating the internet. Are those that engage in hate online more or less likely to act on it than those who engage in person? Are these interactions compelling them to use their voice off-line?
khazhoux 4y ago
Is there any evidence he was specifically influenced and motivated by online rhetoric?
- sarlalian 4y ago
  Yes
- hackerlight 4y ago
  That's very common. There are a number of mass shooters in the US that targeted minorities who explicitly say in their manifesto or interrogation tape, that they were radicalized in online forums, and not offline.

mensetmanusman 4y ago

They were satirizing the confusion between sex and gender. Disagreement isn’t necessarily hate speech.

dbrueck 4y ago

> They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. This perfectly encapsulates the problem. So-called 'hate speech' is in the eye of the beholder and incredibly, just incredibly subjective.

luxuryballs 4y ago

saying it’s hate speech gives me Alice in Wonderland and 1984 vibes, 2+2=5 or you’re guilty and must be punished, regardless of what your senses tell you

mildmotive 4y ago

> They didn’t even make a joke. They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. It’s not a crime nor hate speech to acknowledge someone’s biological sex. That’s what we do in sports and when we select partners for example. Most, if not all heterosexual men would not consider a “trans woman” to be an actual woman. Our way of selecting partners is proof of that. To punish a natural, and biologically based viewpoint that most of humanity hold and follow is tyrannical and unsustainable.

Zagill 4y ago
How are we this far into the modern trans rights movement and people still haven't wrapped their brains around sex and gender being two distinct concepts?
- junofan 4y ago
  It’s a distinction some guy just made up not too long ago. I can see why some people might not consider it a fact of the universe.
  - hackerlight 4y ago
    All categories are arbitrary distinctions that someone made up at some point, including the categories of biological sex, race, and your birth name. At the very least it would be bullying behavior for me to single you out and call you a different name or different racial group to what you actually are (as defined by the constructs that society has agreed upon).
    - fleddr 4y ago
      Biological sex is not a construct, it's a simple observable reality. Biological sex is factual and immutable.
      - aiperson 4y ago

smcl 4y ago

klipt 4y ago

It's funny how "KillAllMen" trended on Twitter and that wasn't considered hate speech, but calling a woman a man is? Actually I guess that's consistent, if you think men are lesser beings who deserve to be killed, then it makes sense you would also think that the worst possible thing you can do to a woman is call them a man.

Beltalowda 4y ago
There's some graffiti near where I live: "Trans rights are human rights!" Okay, great! And then on the next wall, in the same colour so presumably by the same people: "Kill all men!"
fleddr 4y ago
Exactly. Several types of deep hate, sometimes even death threats, are allowed on Twitter: general hate towards all men, all whites, specifically white men. It also matters who expresses the hate, more is allowed from non-whites, trans people, feminists, etc.

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the_doctah 4y ago

Stop desperately trying to change to definition of hate speech.