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> I really dont understand why his Ukraine tweets were controversial Because peace at this point means the aggressor keeps territories. If Canada moved troops

> I really dont understand why his Ukraine tweets were controversial Because peace at this point means the aggressor keeps territories. If Canada moved troops into a bunch of US states - NY, NH, Maine, Pennsylvania etc. would you be willing to just cede that territory over so that everybody can have "peace"? Ok, let's have peace, I guess Canada gets New England now.

misiti3780 4y ago
Ya I get it, and that is one option, of many, for resolving this conflict. How do you think this ends if the Western powers keep funding the war and Ukraine takes Crimea? Do you think Putin will just say "OK" ? Comparing Russia to Canada is in bad faith. Canada is a democracy, not run by a dictator.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  > Do you think Putin will just say "OK" ? I think NATO or the West is playing a very strategic game here. They don't offer Ukraine 100% more firepower than Russia, which would end the war quickly. They offer them a bit more so that Russia is struggling. And notice that when Russia would try to subdue Ukraine with more powerful weapons like a tactical nuke, NATO already made it clear that they would move in. They are basically exhausting Russia to death. Right now, Russia is really scraping to throw everything they got into this war. If this war keeps going, it will totally destruct Russia's economy and society. Unfortunately, Ukraine is paying a very heavy price for this. But from a NATO strategic standpoint, we're now in an ideal scenario.
  - misiti3780 4y ago
    i hope you're right.
- david422 4y ago
  > How do you think this ends if the Western powers keep funding the war and Ukraine takes Crimea? Do you think Putin will just say "OK" ? You mean if Ukraine returns to their sovereign borders and has a crap ton of weapons and can physically repel any Russian attacks? Doesn't matter what Putin says. > Comparing Russia to Canada is in bad faith. What? Ok, how about just pretend Russia takes over the Alaska and the western seaboard. Does that work for you?
  - misiti3780 4y ago
    >You mean if Ukraine returns to their sovereign borders and has a crap ton of weapons and can physically repel any Russian attacks? Doesn't matter what Putin says. If Ukraine takes Crimea and Russia nukes Ukraine, it matters to everyone.
- sorenjan 4y ago
  > Comparing Russia to Canada is in bad faith. Canada is a democracy, not run by a dictator. Isn't that an even bigger reason to not let the dictator get his way? In Putin's latest speech he reiterated that Ukraine isn't a real state and that Ukrainians and Russians should live together in one country, Russia. Giving in to any of his demands will not deter him or bring peace, it will embolden him and prove that he was right to invade, and he will do it again.
nghou 4y ago
> If Canada moved troops into a bunch of US states - NY, NH, Maine, Pennsylvania etc. would you be willing to just cede that territory over so that everybody can have "peace"? Ok, let's have peace, I guess Canada gets New England now. As a New Yorker... please? How soon after annexation do I get my healthcare?
- misiti3780 4y ago
  Are you un-insured currently?
booleandilemma 4y ago
Comparing Russia invading territories that Americans haven't even been to let alone heard of is nothing like Canada, of all countries, invading the continental US.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  It's very much like it for the Ukrainians.

misiti3780 4y ago

Ya I get it, and that is one option, of many, for resolving this conflict. How do you think this ends if the Western powers keep funding the war and Ukraine takes Crimea? Do you think Putin will just say "OK" ? Comparing Russia to Canada is in bad faith. Canada is a democracy, not run by a dictator.

koonsolo 4y ago
> Do you think Putin will just say "OK" ? I think NATO or the West is playing a very strategic game here. They don't offer Ukraine 100% more firepower than Russia, which would end the war quickly. They offer them a bit more so that Russia is struggling. And notice that when Russia would try to subdue Ukraine with more powerful weapons like a tactical nuke, NATO already made it clear that they would move in. They are basically exhausting Russia to death. Right now, Russia is really scraping to throw everything they got into this war. If this war keeps going, it will totally destruct Russia's economy and society. Unfortunately, Ukraine is paying a very heavy price for this. But from a NATO strategic standpoint, we're now in an ideal scenario.
- misiti3780 4y ago
  i hope you're right.
david422 4y ago
> How do you think this ends if the Western powers keep funding the war and Ukraine takes Crimea? Do you think Putin will just say "OK" ? You mean if Ukraine returns to their sovereign borders and has a crap ton of weapons and can physically repel any Russian attacks? Doesn't matter what Putin says. > Comparing Russia to Canada is in bad faith. What? Ok, how about just pretend Russia takes over the Alaska and the western seaboard. Does that work for you?
- misiti3780 4y ago
  >You mean if Ukraine returns to their sovereign borders and has a crap ton of weapons and can physically repel any Russian attacks? Doesn't matter what Putin says. If Ukraine takes Crimea and Russia nukes Ukraine, it matters to everyone.
sorenjan 4y ago
> Comparing Russia to Canada is in bad faith. Canada is a democracy, not run by a dictator. Isn't that an even bigger reason to not let the dictator get his way? In Putin's latest speech he reiterated that Ukraine isn't a real state and that Ukrainians and Russians should live together in one country, Russia. Giving in to any of his demands will not deter him or bring peace, it will embolden him and prove that he was right to invade, and he will do it again.

nghou 4y ago

> If Canada moved troops into a bunch of US states - NY, NH, Maine, Pennsylvania etc. would you be willing to just cede that territory over so that everybody can have "peace"? Ok, let's have peace, I guess Canada gets New England now. As a New Yorker... please? How soon after annexation do I get my healthcare?

misiti3780 4y ago
Are you un-insured currently?

booleandilemma 4y ago

Comparing Russia invading territories that Americans haven't even been to let alone heard of is nothing like Canada, of all countries, invading the continental US.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago
It's very much like it for the Ukrainians.